Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The missile nerf is a bit overdone imo, but I can live with it.

The hurricane nerf was needed.

The thing that bothers me most is that I will have to refit a lot of my pre-fitted pvp-ships. I won't be able to undock in half my ships because most of the fits were already tight.

Edit for terribad spelling

CCP should tell me why I should renew my subscription.

I agree. Also:

1. Missiles already have a partial counter: smartbombs.
2. Most EWAR is situational (ECM excepted). I think expanding TD to more situations is a step in the wrong direction -- overpowered situational modules can be worked around by players; overpowered every situation modules cannot be.

Because it will be a challenge going from brainless Drakeblob/Artycane crap to a landwhere EWAR runs free (stuff aside from ECM, that is), where a Crucifier can take out a RL missile Caracal, where RR Tengus fear a Pilgrim (<3), where you have wildly different ships, wildly different fights, wildly different meta to invent, theorycraft and test in PVP.

Or, you can quit because you have no imagination and just want to blap people with your Cane/Drake blobs.

Well on the whole, the Winter balancing things on other ship types and classes I generally approve, but this seriously bites ass.

Nerf 20% heavy missile damage, and further nerf the Drake's tank? Wut? The caldari only have one decent BC, the Drake, and now that too is going to be crappy....

.......I agree, but then let's see what happens to the HAM damage in the following patch. Like someone else posted, I don't think they have thought through the impact of TE/TC on missiles other than Heavies.

Which again, brings me back to my thoughts that this is an ISK controlling method. Nerf the No.1 ammo type in missions.



Here's an idea (a silly one I know, but I want to bring some really humour this this thread).

Make this nerf only applicable in Hi-sec............ that'll get people out

In the vain effort that Fozzie reads this threadnaught now, "Why the hell have you just gimped an entire race line of ships in an effort to curb Drake and Tengu useage?" Gimp the ships, no tthe race"?

I can't believe I'm going to say this...
Can we just have the good ol days of "greed is good" back and forget all of this?
This nerf bat better not swing

Medium LR turrets have problems hitting small, moving targets (all small ships move, or deserve to die) and especially so at shorter ranges. And when they hit, they don't hit for full damage. Turrets have a stat called signature resolution, which makes larger size guns worse at hitting smaller targets. Lowering transversal to a level where you get good hits is not that easy in a BC against a frig. Furthermore TEs or TC are pretty much mandatory on LR turret ships in order to hit anything at all. Now you can fit them on missile ships to the same effect, to improve your damage against small ships... which you hit every time for at least some damage.

Yes, I do see Feroxes and Nagas. Blaster Ferox looks like a fine ship to me (have even considered cross-training for it, it's a bit better at being a Brutix than Brutix, esp so now with ASBs), and Naga is a solid sniper.

Idk, I feel like medium rails have just sucked in comparison to HMLs. HMLs have been PVE easy mode, this change might have a big impact on markets, as it reduces farming and botting efficiency. Drake and Tengu are by far the most common ships in game, this winter will see a more equal spread of ships both in PVE and PVP. Which is pretty cool!


As what comes to the people complaining about the Cane fitting nerf, check this out:

Drake 850 + 525 = 1375
Myrm 1175 + 400 = 1574
Cane 1350 + 400 = 1750
Harbi 1500 + 375 = 1875

Cane had the second highest fitting capacity, but uses weapons that are the second easiest to fit, and is viable both in shield and armor tank setups. 175 more pg than the armor-tanking Myrm. You could only fit highest tier weapons with full T2 everything on the Cane, and even add T2 medium neuts.

Future:

Drake 850 + 525 = 1375
Cane 1125 + 400 = 1525
Myrm 1175 + 400 = 1574
Harbi 1500 + 375 = 1875

Looks balanced to me. On a nano-Cane, all you need to do is drop to meta 4 neuts. On armor cane, drop to meta neuts and add one ACR rig. It's still damn easy to fit IMHO.

I fly Gallente, and 90% of my fits are impossible without a shitload of fitting hardwires, and usually I still need fitting mods.

Fitting resources and requirements make fitting ships and art of balancing between gank, tank and utility. Cane was an exception to this, you could always get the very best modules for everything. No dropping to meta, no fitting mods or rigs.

Consider it fixed!

I'm very disappointed about the Tracking Disruptor changes for missiles.

There where so many creative Ideas in this forum like Flares, AEGIS-Destroyers, Defendermissile upgrades, etc. Making TD affecting Turrets AND Missiles will make it way to overpowered and omnipresent in every fitting. Looks a little bit lazy too...
Keep the mechanic but give us a different module to do this so players have to make a choice.

Also, the Drake nerf, Missile changes and TD changes seems a little too much... Now there is only one reason left to skill Caldari ships and that's the Falcon / Blackbird... Witch will be nerfed next to oblivion with changes of the ECM mecanics