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Missile winterpatch nerf
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Punctator
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-09-19 00:41:52 UTC
1.
caldari is one of the weakest race in eve and you want to nerf them even more? What?
drake is not overpowered - swarm of drakes are, but why the hell small scale pvp must be nerfed so badly because of the swarms of drakes. Do something about blobs, nerf them, but leave caldari as it is.

2.
nerfing hurricane is even worst idea then nerfing caldari. what do you want? to every ship be the same?
dont drink so much ccp - and this is all what i can say for about 5 or 6 years of playing eve.


3.
remove warp core stabilizers - this is what we realy need, not ******* t1 logistic.
nerf blobs, boost small scale pvp, make target braker to work, do not nerf hisec industralist, boost pirates, give them
missions on hisec, stop DRINKING!
Artyom Hunter
Militaris Industries
Northern Coalition.
#2 - 2012-09-19 01:20:39 UTC
Just asking, were you drunk at the time of writing?
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#3 - 2012-09-19 01:24:01 UTC
I'm not feeling the OP. Needs moar raeg.

How did you Veterans start?
Kitt JT
True North.
#4 - 2012-09-19 02:57:27 UTC
As someone with over 10msp in missiles, I welcome the changes. HML's are getting nerfed. Rest are getting buffed.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-09-19 03:29:45 UTC
Kitt JT wrote:
As someone with over 10msp in missiles, I welcome the changes. HML's are getting nerfed. Rest are getting buffed.

I have a HML Tengu, I saw this and thought "finally I will have to actually think and test different fits to use this ship, no more cookie cutter fit and win"

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-09-19 07:11:10 UTC
isn't the drake supposed to get a HAM range or HAM ROF bonus or something too? maybe that will come with the BC re balance comes.. I am excited for the changes though. Bring forth the blobs of t1 cruisers.
Lori Hakoke
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-09-19 07:40:21 UTC
1. No.

2. No.

3. No.

L2P

In fact, learn to use your braincell.
Punctator
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-09-19 08:39:06 UTC
ccp should listen people like me not noobs like you miss lori hakoke.
eve is dying because of such stupid game changes - dont belive?

last patch just kill fraction war pvp and give oportunity to cheat and earn mass of lp`s - because ccp knows better.
they know notheing - in fact they cant even pvp propertly and they destroing this game because of their incopetence,
and because they listen to noobs like you ms. lori.

they boost t1 cruisers - sily... now we have rifters on stabs in fw space. this is pvp. yep and we will have cruisers!!! in fw space on stabs. long time ago this game was niece, today it is piece of sheet, because of "game balance"

end of transmision.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#9 - 2012-09-19 08:47:29 UTC
maybe this HML nerf will fix Tengus Online, I hope so at least
MisterNick
The Sagan Clan
#10 - 2012-09-19 10:49:35 UTC
Why does the OP rage about upcoming T1 logis in his Missile changes rage thread? What?

Also, real men HAM Drake

"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom."
Artyom Hunter
Militaris Industries
Northern Coalition.
#11 - 2012-09-19 11:10:52 UTC
Yeah, I'm not sure if he is trolling or has both hands full of absinthe and is typing with his penis. Could be either...
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#12 - 2012-09-19 13:21:17 UTC  |  Edited by: TheGunslinger42
Punctator wrote:
1.
caldari is one of the weakest race in eve and you want to nerf them even more? What?
drake is not overpow


Stopped reading there.

With that said, I dont see the need to nerf heavy missiles as a whole instead of fixing the drake itself. Or at least not nerfing them with 25% damage and 20% range nerfs. That's ridiculous.

Oh well thats what you get for choosing caldari scum as your race
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
#13 - 2012-09-19 13:28:11 UTC
I too was thinking a 20% nerf on dps would be a little over the top, however I doubt it's THAT bad...
I did shortly forget heavy missiles would be a long range weapon with HAMs supposedly the best platform within 15-20km.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#14 - 2012-09-19 13:31:34 UTC
Punctator wrote:
1.
caldari is one of the weakest race in eve and you want to nerf them even more? What?
drake is not overpowered - swarm of drakes are, but why the hell small scale pvp must be nerfed so badly because of the swarms of drakes. Do something about blobs, nerf them, but leave caldari as it is.

2.
nerfing hurricane is even worst idea then nerfing caldari. what do you want? to every ship be the same?
dont drink so much ccp - and this is all what i can say for about 5 or 6 years of playing eve.


3.
remove warp core stabilizers - this is what we realy need, not ******* t1 logistic.
nerf blobs, boost small scale pvp, make target braker to work, do not nerf hisec industralist, boost pirates, give them
missions on hisec, stop DRINKING!




L2P

And you do know that there already is a thread for this?

I do agree with boosting pirates though ^^

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#15 - 2012-09-19 14:44:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
TD applied to missiles? Justified.
Reduced Range of HMs? Justified.
Damage nerf to HMs? Probably not.

I think they've been far too hasty with the proposed changes. Better to make a small nerf and have to nerf more later than to nerf too hard to begin.

Also, why nerf heavies at all? Its only drakes and Tengus that are OP anyway. All the other heavy missile platforms are pretty much crap.

I say, nerf drakes and Tengus and leave the heavies alone.

Edit: Also "Remove Warp Core Stabs - Dont nerf industrialists" anyone see any hypocrisy there?

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
HELLBOUNDMAN
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-09-19 15:41:50 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
maybe this HML nerf will fix Tengus Online, I hope so at least



Except we have a major problem.

For mission runners the tengu is pretty much the missile boat the takes the cake.

There's no point in training a higher missile size. There's no point in training for battleships.

Just forget about all that. Your progression as a missile boat pilot needs to be.

Kestrel, Caracal, Drake, Tengu and stop there.


Now, this isn't to say the tengu is OP in pve, even if it might be.

The problem truly is that everything above the size of a battlecruiser that uses missiles sucks in pve.

Raven sucks
Scorpion sucks
Scorpion Navy issue is decent, but dps sucks
Raven Navy has awesome dps but sucks at everything else in order to get that dps
Golem awesome on paper, sucks in action and has massive isk and SP investment just for lvl 4 missions to be possible, let alone effective at lvl 4 missions.


So, as it sits right now the most effective missile boat in game for pve is the tengu.

So How about CCP rebalances all of those crappy missile boats long before they attempt to go nerfing the best ship we got.
Loius Woo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-09-19 19:14:57 UTC
The change to how the tracking computers work will make the Raven and the Torp Phoon a plausible PvP ship again.

You can use Torps and change between scripts for better damage vs smaller targets or better projection against large targets.

Also, boosting T2 misiles, giving the drake a bonus to HAMs, and putting tracking computers on them makes them BETTER at small gang PvP but harder for a blob to manage well.

If you can't read and understand the changes that is NOT CCP's fault.

You just read like two lines, understood half of one, and made a rant thread about it.

You are so wrong it is crazy.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#18 - 2012-09-19 19:17:49 UTC
Lori Hakoke wrote:
1. No.

2. No.

3. No.

L2P

In fact, learn to use your braincell.


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CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
HELLBOUNDMAN
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-09-19 19:20:51 UTC
Loius Woo wrote:
The change to how the tracking computers work will make the Raven and the Torp Phoon a plausible PvP ship again.

You can use Torps and change between scripts for better damage vs smaller targets or better projection against large targets.

Also, boosting T2 misiles, giving the drake a bonus to HAMs, and putting tracking computers on them makes them BETTER at small gang PvP but harder for a blob to manage well.

If you can't read and understand the changes that is NOT CCP's fault.

You just read like two lines, understood half of one, and made a rant thread about it.

You are so wrong it is crazy.



Where is this info on this?

I would like to read it.


That said though, the raven would still require at least 2 target painters in order to have good effective dps, so if it also needs tracking computers, well, then it's a terrible design.

The raven needs to be revamped as is anyway. I think it needs at least one more mid slot to counter the need for so many target painters even with cruise missiles.
Loius Woo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-09-19 19:37:27 UTC
HELLBOUNDMAN wrote:
Loius Woo wrote:
The change to how the tracking computers work will make the Raven and the Torp Phoon a plausible PvP ship again.

You can use Torps and change between scripts for better damage vs smaller targets or better projection against large targets.

Also, boosting T2 misiles, giving the drake a bonus to HAMs, and putting tracking computers on them makes them BETTER at small gang PvP but harder for a blob to manage well.

If you can't read and understand the changes that is NOT CCP's fault.

You just read like two lines, understood half of one, and made a rant thread about it.

You are so wrong it is crazy.



Where is this info on this?

I would like to read it.


That said though, the raven would still require at least 2 target painters in order to have good effective dps, so if it also needs tracking computers, well, then it's a terrible design.

The raven needs to be revamped as is anyway. I think it needs at least one more mid slot to counter the need for so many target painters even with cruise missiles.



Its in the Dev Post.

As for the Raven, there are no details for how much the tracking computer and tracking enhancers with scripts will change the explosion velocity and radius of missiles, but conceivably it should be enough to allow you to EITHER project torps better OR increase their damage against smaller targets WITHOUT having to rely on ridiculous numbers of TP's.

Also, I feel that the missile change, coupled with the hints to changes in the Typhoon to make it a Torp boat can be seen as signaling that the BS rebalance will address issues of missile BS viability in PvP.

The mere addition of scriptable changes to missile damage or projection is already half the solution, now missiles are more flexible, which is inherently more PvP-able.

Also, the changes to the T2 missiles supports this idea that missiles are about to become a very flexible solution for PvP in small gangs, but blobs will be done. Who wants to manage a blob of drakes if all of them have to be told to switch scripts, and ammo just to keep putting damage on target?

The missile rebalance is actually a very elegant solution to both the overpowering presence of the drake blob AND the complete lack of missiles in other PvP situations.
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