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Push for Caldari Purity! Cast off relics of putrid Gallente Culture!

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Shaalira D'arc
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-09-18 05:12:48 UTC
Stitcher wrote:

Most popular sport in New Eden: Mind Clash (a Caldari export)


I shall nitpick here, since this fascinating sport is a more interesting subject than the opening post.

It is true that the Caldari rescued the sport from its early scandals involving drugs, neural boosters, and fixed matches. However, the origin of the sport is a computer program that propogated a fledgeling fad rapidly throughout all empire space. Prior to the Caldari Clash Coalition, there were a host of leagues and organizations including the New Eden Clash Association, the Interstellar Mind Clash Council, and the Universal Mind Clash Union.

In fact, even the Caldari Clash Coalition is no longer known as such. Nowadays, it's the New Eden Clash Coalition, which has no ties to any single empire. So while the Caldari had an influential role in transforming the sport into its current form, I think it's too simplistic to call it a State export.
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#22 - 2012-09-18 07:16:15 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
Even now your petty indignation stinks of arrogance. You know, while your children are learning liberal arts and how to play the flute, our youths are learning combat tactics, routine weapons maintenance, but most of all they're studying history.


Most of the children I know learn art, philosophy, mathematics, economics, and history, as well as martial skills and tactics.

Children are mental sponges with an abundance of energy. Why limit what you teach them? When they get older, it's good to have them specialize, yes, but a solid foundation is necessary.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-09-18 11:06:21 UTC
I should state, for the outside observer, that youth in the State receive a much more complete education than what has been ascribed to them here.

~Malcolm Khross
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#24 - 2012-09-18 12:22:49 UTC
Actually, the largest producer of holoreels in New Eden is Impetus, and even they only create barely a third of all holovision productions in the Federation. The Gallente are not called the "masters of entertainment" for no reason.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-09-18 13:12:24 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
The Gallente are not called the "masters of entertainment" for no reason.


Quite. I've found the thoughts and opinions of many Gallentean media outlets and citizens both amusing and entertaining, if perhaps uninformative. Certainly, the Federation should be applauded for its skill and capacity in managing the irony of its continued social, economic and political farce and comedy.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#26 - 2012-09-18 19:43:32 UTC  |  Edited by: iyammarrok
Galaxy Pig wrote:
Even now your petty indignation stinks of arrogance. You know, while your children are learning liberal arts and how to play the flute, our youths are learning combat tactics, routine weapons maintenance, but most of all they're studying history. Your average little Caldari cadet is a regular history buff. They know why we fight this war, and they know what kind of scum the Federation breeds. Death to Gallente! End their rotten influence! May there be nothing left of them! Death to Gallente! Death to Gallente!



It is good that you teach your children history.
Do you teach them that it was the Gallente people that helped the Caldari reach beyond their homeworld in the first place?
Do you teach them that the Caldari people were one of the founding members of the Federation?
Do you teach them that, against the very charter they helped form, they chose to colonise a large area of space and keep those colonies isolated from any outside aid?
Do you teach them that your current Provist leadership are members of the very same terrorist organisation that your own government deemed kill on sight after the events at Nouvelle Rouvenor?

While i can see the teachings at Ishukone potentially teaching the full historical record, in honour of Mr Gariushi and how he lived. I am almost certain, especially considering some of the more recent capsuleer graduates the state has produced, that most of the megacorps do not teach their children well enough.

Edit: considering the eloquence and reasoned arguments most Wiyrkomi Honour Guard members show, I will add the Wiyrkomi Corporation to Ishukone in the above statement.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-09-18 20:12:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Khross
iyammarrok wrote:

Do you teach them that it was the Gallente people that helped the Caldari reach beyond their homeworld in the first place?


True, though it should be noted that most advancement in the field of space travel and exploration was a product of cooperation between both groups of people after the initial outreach of the Gallente.

iyammarrok wrote:
Do you teach them that the Caldari people were one of the founding members of the Federation?


Also true, though it should be noted that:

iyammarrok wrote:
Do you teach them that, against the very charter they helped form, they chose to colonise a large area of space and keep those colonies isolated from any outside aid?


Was a direct result of growing animosity and discontent between the Caldari. The political situation at the time consistently denied the Caldari appropriate representation and the policies that were passed constantly reduced our standard of living for the "greater good," of the rest of the Federation. It should also be noted that aid is not what was denied to the outer colonies, the Federation (rightfully) sought to annex them into its jurisdiction upon their discovery, the Caldari refused and seceded from the Federation.

iyammarrok wrote:
Do you teach them that your current Provist leadership are members of the very same terrorist organisation that your own government deemed kill on sight after the events at Nouvelle Rouvenor?


This sort of accusation would require substantial verification and proof from you. I trust I am not being out of place in suggesting you should produce that proof?

~Malcolm Khross
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#28 - 2012-09-18 20:48:09 UTC
While i was hoping for a response from one of the more CPD oriented pilots on this thread Mal, you have certainly made my point for me.

Your own historical knowledge seems to far surpass most of the Caldari who are more vocal about their genocidal wishes towards the Gallente.

On that last point though, any proof i provide will be seen as biased or forged.

Though perhaps you can find that which i found yourself,
The scope and ISD were there, recording and broadcasting live feeds from the Armour forge on the day Heth's rise began.
Have your technicians look at the feed of Heth's 'heroic' rescue of the wounded member of his entourage, pay particular attention to his arms.

What you will find shocked even me and i have seen a lot of things in this cluster.
I am told, by sources that, for obvious reasons, remain anonymous, that many of the higher ranked Provists, bear remarkably simillar markings.

Call it the ravings of a Gallentean if you will, Though that would be a misnomer.
But, if there is even the chance that what i say is correct, if there is even the slightest possibility that the current leadership of the state are Templis Dragonaur, should that not be checked?

It would certainly explain how these new Provist capsuleers are graduating while showing such sociopathic and genocidal traits.

I wish you well in your search Mal.
You, and others like you, are the best the State has to offer, yet due to those like the provists in question, you are typecast as ultra-nationalist xenophobic fools. That is wrong and you deserve better.

-Rok

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#29 - 2012-09-18 20:50:54 UTC
Diana Kim should not be taken as the example of most Caldari pilots.
Rhiannon Dellacorte
Liberty Vanguard
#30 - 2012-09-19 02:09:05 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Diana Kim should not be taken as the example of most Caldari pilots.


Agreed.

Because she is also a Gallente plant.

Rules of Acquisition #261

A wealthy man can afford anything except a conscience.
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#31 - 2012-09-19 02:44:53 UTC
Hmmm, Ms Dellacorte, you'll have to explain that one. and, if you can, provide proof.

or at least a feasible reason behind your claim.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-09-19 11:57:31 UTC
Yea!
Indeed! My cover has been blown! Now I need a Gallente Military Corporation to continue my service!
I will offer my guns to the corporation, that conforms to following condition:

* is an active member of frog militia
* has more than one fleet commanders
* actively participates in fights
* has not less than 50 bil of total corporate shares
* has effective standing to the Caldari State not less than -1.5
* CEO should be inactive most of the time

If they will offer me a position with following opportunities:

* I should be able to hire other personnel
* I should be able to fire existing personnel
* I should be able to enlist/retire corporation from the militia
* I should be able to start and end wars
* and talk as a diplomat of this corporation
* I should have unlimited access to all corporation assets

No, really. I can show frogs, what does proper Caldari management mean.

*blink*

Please?

*blink* * blink*

Pretty please?

*blink*

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#33 - 2012-09-21 23:00:36 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:


No, really. I can show frogs, what does proper Caldari management mean.


How do you see proper Caldari management as being different from other management styles?

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#34 - 2012-09-21 23:52:01 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:


No, really. I can show frogs, what does proper Caldari management mean.


How do you see proper Caldari management as being different from other management styles?


I don't know very much about management styles other than the New Sobaseki model, but to my limited understanding, our management takes on much more responsibility than in other styles. Is it true that, in other styles, an executive isn't responsible for the prosperity and well-being of their subordinates? That's what I have been told, at least. I'm undoubtedly subject to bias, but I can't say that I like the idea.

I realize that I'm probably going to be misinterpreted in the above reply. I'll try to clarify! In the NS model, the corporation makes public its statements on working conditions, health and safety, its happiness index, and other measures of corporate prosperity, along with its fiscal reports. The evaluation metric of a manager thus includes the employee living standard index. This has been statistically proven to have a greater effect on ensuring long-term market growth and critical asset retention than when a manager is evaluated on short-term fiscal productivity alone.

Most executives take an active interest in encouraging these metrics, making them involved in many fields that are not traditionally considered the purview of the boardroom. For instance, my own manager, the honourable Atkio Vanamoinen, recently purchased a franchise licence to open a "Saisio Express" restaurant for the express purpose of offering more fine dining choices here at Kakakela, and there's talk of funding a fitness centre for LDRB&C employees.

Other corporations (Todaki Steel and Freight comes to mind, but there are others) don't follow this model, instead using the Objectivist model, which only tracks fiscal data. It's an excellent method and is provably robust, but I believe it has problems with fragility at the value-addition stage of market production.

Does that help answer your question?
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#35 - 2012-09-23 07:52:51 UTC
Go you traitors to the state, you gutless dogs, join the frogs, you will be well received and among your own. The State is stronger to be rid of you.
Allow me to clarify, Caldari youth in general carry a healthy respect for and command of mathematics, music, language, science, etc... But what State schools place a perticular emphasis on, what our youth know better than anything else, is how to put a plasma charge in a Gallentean's chest, and exactly why they're going to do it.
While Federation schools preach their typical self-obsessed doctrine; "express yourself" State schools admonish; "defend yourself", from those who would degrade your life, your culture, your future.
Caldari purity, Caldari strength, death to Gallente!

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Cmdr Baxter
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-09-23 20:07:05 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
... But what State schools place a perticular emphasis on, what our youth know better than anything else, is how to put a plasma charge in a Gallentean's chest, and exactly why they're going to do it.

The State must have revised the educational curriculum since I left the orphanage; I don't remember the execution of Gallente being covered in my textbooks. Or maybe I slept through that lesson.

Commander S. "Old Man" Baxter, CN (ret.)

Chief Archivist, The Synenose Accord
Henry Montclaire
Guild of Independent Pilots
DammFam
#37 - 2012-09-23 23:44:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Henry Montclaire
Are we called frogs now?

I've never even heard of a frog.

I should hope it is some fearsome and independent predator renowned for its ferocity in the face of those who would threaten its children.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-09-24 03:37:52 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
State schools admonish; "defend yourself", from those who would degrade your life, your culture, your future.
Caldari purity, Caldari strength


This reminds of a line from an old holoreel where the idea of 1 people, 1 state and 1 leader was paramount. It ended badly for those that espoused these ideas.
Mika Firestorm
Your Friendly Neighborhood Logistics
#39 - 2012-09-24 05:22:51 UTC
Henry Montclaire wrote:
Are we called frogs now?

I've never even heard of a frog.

I should hope it is some fearsome and independent predator renowned for its ferocity in the face of those who would threaten its children.

Frog is a small tailless amphibian with soft glandular skin, that can be found on majority of wet warm planets with wild life forms. I believe, there is a large number of different population on frogs still exist on Gallente Prime as well.

Usually frogs have green skin, that resemble hulls of Gallente spaceships. Frogs indeed are predators, but they eat small flies, and some of frogs are not predators at all. While eating the animals that are way smaller than themselves, like flies and plankton, frogs jump away and evade if something bigger approaches. This can describe behavior of some Gallente militia members as well. About it's children, majority of frogs just drop their spawn and forget. And 'ferocious frog' sounds a bit amusingly, since this 'predator' doesn't have any claws or teeth to hurt enemies, it can either devour or poison with its skin.

The term 'frog' has been used by Caldari troopers and lower officers (usually field commanders) to describe Gallente population (in most cases - only Gallente militia or other Gallente military) for quite long time. This is a slang term and you most probably didn't hear it before, because majority of Caldari officials and higher officers (HQ-based commanders) avoid using such terms.

State the nature of your medical emergency
Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#40 - 2012-09-24 19:30:59 UTC
Mika Firestorm wrote:
lengthy explanation


Yes, frogs and squids,

But,

If you'll be my Dodixie chicken, I'll be your Teskanen lamb.
And we can walk together, down in Dodixieland.
Smile

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

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