Science & Industry

How so? Could you elaborate a bit more on these results?


Currently, i am running my planets inside a wh and i tested this in high sec, low sec and wh space. I haven't tried it it out in null sec however.

In high sec, it is a pain to get an accurate quote since everyone else and their grandmother is using the planet to extract the resources and the actual resources present dips so low that the quote can be wrong upto 20% even. So it is much better to use 12-24h cycles, since the amount of resources changes quite fast.

In low sec, most planets were with a good enough quote and the change in extracted resources was not really visible. The 24h / 4 day cycles came out at near 95-98% at the 24h mark.

In wh space, there is almost 0 difference visible between using a 24h, 4 day or a 14 day cycle. Even with 3-5 people using the same planet.


The only times it did change a lot was when the hot spot was tiny and the amount of extractor heads no longer fitted inside there. If space allows, running a 4day or 24h cycle doesn't matter under optimal conditions.

the volume shown on the link is per load/cycle. If you are running 15 minute cycles this should be roughly 1/4 of your hourly extraction rate. If you run 30 minute cycles it should be about half. with 2 hour cycles it would be double.

Also the more your extraction graph fluctuates the less accurate this number is as I believe it shows the volume for the current cycle not an average like your extraction rate.

Also as others have said. you have no idea how many other characters are using the same planet. the show other players networks has never worked. On a busy high sec planet your survey will not mean much as it is based on the rate you would get if your extractor was the only one on the node. Even in high sec I use back water planets where there is far less activity.

Couple of points to consider.

1. Other people farming your node is huge, and hard to detect. Your pre-install value doesn't take other extractors into account, obviously the one you see after submitting does. If you right-click and Show Other, you only see other Command Centers. Then you can click on one and see the facilities associated with it... that could be anywhere else on the planet. And you can't see their extractor heads to boot, although their extractor positions are relevant. So it's rather difficult to avoid in advance. The best way to avoid this is leave highsec, not only do you get better nodes but far less competition.

2. Planetology gives you more accurate surveys. Advanced planetology lets you see hotspots that unskilled people can't. If you are taking PI at all seriously you should train adv. to at least 3. On the flip side, I have never seen what people are talking about re: remote Sensing. If you don't have a CC on a planet you can only survey within RS range. Once you do have one though, in my experience your range from the planet is meaningless. I've seen no difference in scanning error when updating extractors from literally the opposite side of the entire map.

3. On many occasions I've installed programs and had the final total go *up* compared to the pre-install estimate (sorry, no screenshots ATM). I think this is related to another phenomenon that many people aren't aware of. The hotspots spawn in a series of waves. Then the materials spread outwards, gradually dissipating as they go.. That's how the ring of lower concentration gets generated around the actual hotspot.

Where this gets funky is that the server isn't trying to update the concentrations continuously. It's periodically moving material outwards, and then checking if an extractor happens to be at the point in its cycle where it can "see" the material. Because the process happens in fairly spaced out intervals, in order to keep server load sane, there's a big random factor as to how many of these waves a given head will actually catch. Often, having a head right on top of the hotspot means it catches fewer waves, and thus has less output than if you slid it away a little. So you can get higher totals by making a ring around the hotspot instead of packing your heads in tight. Having the post-install total go up could mean that my estimate had me missing more waves than the actual ended up being.

4. The number on the link showing the % used is based on how large the program's peaks are, with some kind of averaging thrown in. As far as I can tell it's not directly linked to your overall output. One thing that again many people don't realize is that the "unrouted" number only applies to the peaks in your program. If your extractor says 62,500 routed, 6250 being lost, that 10% only gets lost from the highest parts of the program. The rest of the time you're getting everything extracted. So don't be afraid to leave a little unrouted, it basically won't matter.

5. To whoever is having trouble maintaining balance with P2 inputs: You have a spaceport, don't you? And perhaps you should build a silo as well. A bit of error in your program doesn't matter if you can store several hundred K in spare raws all the time. And if it gets really wack, export a couple hundred ka nd use them on another planet. Or build one more P1 fac. Sheesh.

that's not completely accurate. On the previous page, i posted the screenshots to the test i ran with skilling up planetology on an alt and the yields increased on the same program. The amount of minerals extracted was not what it proposed also iirc. It was capable of running 2 p2 factories with a 4 day cycle but the program said it would run out of p0 in 12h.

However, with higher planetology skills the 'dip' after hitting submit has gone down so much that i no longer notice it. So could be something on the lines of real materials extracted but not taking into account hot spots?

Yes even with perfect skills, and sitting in orbit around the planet, you are still not at 100% accuracy. probably 90-95%

But the same scan with a character without palaeontology trained will only have maybe 5-10% accuracy.