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The reality of the goon freighter ganking in Uedema and neighboring systems.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#221 - 2012-09-19 00:54:30 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
PI Maker wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
BillyBanter wrote:
The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.

It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel.



No the simple solution would be if you feel you are going to be hit bring freinds. It is a freighter not a fighter. There are game mechanics to prevent this, it is called bring a fleet, or risk your ship, it's that whole risk vs reward thing. Big smile

please show me how to beat an alpha strike. you'll be the most famous man in eve


On a Freighter? You can't as there is nothing to modify to create unexpected scenarios. On another ship, you generally just buffer tank and move fast. Alpha typically relies on slower firing heavy guns like artillery that do a lot of dps all at once. That means they have poor tracking, as do all long range guns in this game. The bigger they are, the worse it is.

But Freighters do not move fast, can't avoid being bumped, and have no variables aside from basic pilot skill modifications. Even those don't change things much due to the fact that you need a minimum skill selection to fly one. A bit, but not much, and not enough to allow them to be unpredictable.

That means anyone with a pen and paper can calculate the dps, alpha, etc.. needed to kill them provided they knew the numbers. Most people could probably do it without the pen and paper.




It's been said many times already. The exact way to counter an alpha strike in a freighter. Just follow the 2 absic rules.

> than 2 bill of cargo
no wraps.

How often does it need to be repeated?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#222 - 2012-09-19 00:56:19 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Buck Futz wrote:



Hint: they will just use them for cargo expanders and turn their freighters into 50K EHP punching bags.



Some will. Some won't. But the important point is, they will have a choice.

And what do we like about the sandbox, class?

CHOICE!

So someone explain how giving players options in a sandbox game is bad. I'd love to hear all about it.

Mr Epeen Cool


They have choice already. It's a choice of how much stuff you put in that bay. The same rules will always apply. Learn them or get blow up.
Russell Casey
Doomheim
#223 - 2012-09-19 01:16:34 UTC
Andski wrote:
step 1: buy a freighter
step 2: insure it
step 3: wrap something worthless
step 4: autopilot to a hotspot


Kind of want to do this with a hauler to see if I can get any killrights.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#224 - 2012-09-19 01:17:09 UTC
Heet Crusher wrote:
First off don't believe a word a cfc or hbc ever says. They are scammers, liars, and all around all star idiots. They are what is wrong with EVE. Now I know how i would handle this. Go gank them. If they are in tier 3 bc you can instant pop them if you have the skills. If not hire some mercs to clear the system. And you can sit back and watch the fireworks if you prefer.


i see elo knight opened the doors to the unwashed masses of recruitment scam victims

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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#225 - 2012-09-19 01:22:20 UTC
FluffyDice wrote:
Why doesn't the killmail show the contents by the way? I ganked a hauler the other day and the mail for that showed the contents of the wrapping. Are these ones double wrapped or something?

didn't you know, you can buy extra special wrapping from jita local.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."

Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#226 - 2012-09-19 01:34:39 UTC
Russell Casey wrote:
Andski wrote:
step 1: buy a freighter
step 2: insure it
step 3: wrap something worthless
step 4: autopilot to a hotspot


Kind of want to do this with a hauler to see if I can get any killrights.


Maybe but most likely kill mail...
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#227 - 2012-09-19 01:37:37 UTC
Some killmails are worth dying for, even if it is only for shiggles.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#228 - 2012-09-19 02:08:40 UTC
Andski wrote:
Heet Crusher wrote:
First off don't believe a word a cfc or hbc ever says. They are scammers, liars, and all around all star idiots. They are what is wrong with EVE. Now I know how i would handle this. Go gank them. If they are in tier 3 bc you can instant pop them if you have the skills. If not hire some mercs to clear the system. And you can sit back and watch the fireworks if you prefer.

i see elo knight opened the doors to the unwashed masses of recruitment scam victims

Anyone going to make an elo knight Dawnfall meme video, or something based on those little figures used in the BoB videos where sirmolle was bewailing his useless pets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcM7iCBN6T4

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Sara XIII
The Carnifex Corp
#229 - 2012-09-19 02:17:40 UTC
BillyBanter wrote:
The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.

It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel.


James315 for CSM
Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#230 - 2012-09-19 02:35:37 UTC
Sara XIII wrote:
BillyBanter wrote:
The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.

It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel.

James315 for CSM

Oh, because gankers accept the risk, it's irrelevant, I get it.

By posting, you've accepted the risk that you're dumb and people will laugh at you. Therefore the risk is irrelevant and your posting should be nerfed.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#231 - 2012-09-19 02:51:38 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Sara XIII wrote:
BillyBanter wrote:
The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.

It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel.

James315 for CSM

Oh, because gankers accept the risk, it's irrelevant, I get it.

By posting, you've accepted the risk that you're dumb and people will laugh at you. Therefore the risk is irrelevant and your posting should be nerfed.


CCP could patch exhumer stupid but can they patch post stupid? It's kind of hard to nerf imo...
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#232 - 2012-09-19 03:15:26 UTC
CCP didn't patch exhumer stupid, they just buffed the exhumers, they still die in a hilarious manner because fools still fit them for max yield and wonder why they die. See my sig.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#233 - 2012-09-19 03:18:27 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
CCP didn't patch exhumer stupid, they just buffed the exhumers, they still die in a hilarious manner because fools still fit them for max yield and wonder why they die. See my sig.

They attempted to. At least give them credit for that.

Stupidity is an amazingly powerful final boss, it has many Final Forms that you have to defeat like some horribly sadistic grinding game where you need to hit the level cap, grind the uberweapons and break your damage limits to even have a chance at surviving the final boss' first few "easy" forms.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#234 - 2012-09-19 03:19:18 UTC
They are ganking people...

*shocked

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard

Ghazu
#235 - 2012-09-19 03:29:41 UTC
PI Maker wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
BillyBanter wrote:
The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.

It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel.



No the simple solution would be if you feel you are going to be hit bring freinds. It is a freighter not a fighter. There are game mechanics to prevent this, it is called bring a fleet, or risk your ship, it's that whole risk vs reward thing. Big smile

please show me how to beat an alpha strike. you'll be the most famous man in eve

With a ransom payment.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984

Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#236 - 2012-09-19 03:31:23 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
PI Maker wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
BillyBanter wrote:
The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.

It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel.



No the simple solution would be if you feel you are going to be hit bring freinds. It is a freighter not a fighter. There are game mechanics to prevent this, it is called bring a fleet, or risk your ship, it's that whole risk vs reward thing. Big smile

please show me how to beat an alpha strike. you'll be the most famous man in eve

With a ransom payment.


They don't even ask. They cargo scan and shoot if you are worth it.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#237 - 2012-09-19 03:33:21 UTC
Ghazu wrote:

With a ransom payment.


To steal a line from an Eve blog (possibly Mylootyourtears)

"Suddenly Betrayal"

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Ghazu
#238 - 2012-09-19 03:35:02 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Ghazu wrote:
PI Maker wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
BillyBanter wrote:
The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.

It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel.



No the simple solution would be if you feel you are going to be hit bring freinds. It is a freighter not a fighter. There are game mechanics to prevent this, it is called bring a fleet, or risk your ship, it's that whole risk vs reward thing. Big smile

please show me how to beat an alpha strike. you'll be the most famous man in eve

With a ransom payment.


They don't even ask. They cargo scan and shoot if you are worth it.

Economics vOv

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#239 - 2012-09-19 03:36:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Ghazu wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Ghazu wrote:
With a ransom payment.

They don't even ask. They cargo scan and shoot if you are worth it.

Economics vOv

They'll ask you for 4 bil, you'll say no, and try to get away. Giving the freighter time to do that isn't really the best when your tackler will pop soon.

Or they can just pop you and take their chances. They might get 4 bil, or maybe none, or maybe 8 bil.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Ghazu
#240 - 2012-09-19 03:38:03 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Ghazu wrote:

With a ransom payment.


To steal a line from an Eve blog (possibly Mylootyourtears)

"Suddenly Betrayal"

We actually honor ransoms because of concord etc, unless it's a known hostile entity's freighters.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984