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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#101 - 2012-09-18 04:39:31 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
ian papabear wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
ian papabear wrote:
lots of people are posting stuff like they are good people in real life but becasue its a game they can act however they want, i wouldnt mind observing them in real life and if you are the good person you claim to be in real life why act like a jackass in game? thats just being fake.

Role
Playing
Game

Look this up.



thats fine and all being an rpg game, but do you act like that in person? do you think that behavior is fine? do you have kids? would you be proud of your kids acting the way some of these players (general use of the phrase these players) do


I have often run gaming sessions for my children. My characters have scared them, have outraged them, have killed them, have been killed by them, and have challenged them to the limits of their abilities and imagination.

They loved every minute of it and are far more straight laced and are of stronger moral fiber than I ever was at their age. They still pester me to run game sessions for them to this day, and my elder son is 30.

It's ROLE PLAYING, by definition you are portraying a character that has a personality that is often very, very different from your own.

Here's a newsflash.

Harrison Ford isn't really a hero, he's an actor.
Alfred Hitchcock wasn't a psychotic killer, but he made up and produced movies about great ones.
Your friend that plays Dungeons and Dragons isn't really a Paladin or an Assassin, he's a nerd.
I have never committed homicide, and have no desire to... nor would I if I could easily get away with it.

People who believe otherwise have difficulty discerning the difference between fantasy and reality, what is real from make believe, and because of that limitation tend to project motivations on people that are role playing or acting that aren't really there.

They also tend to take events in a game far, far to seriously.

Now that fella that starts making fun of someone's mother that just died in real life? Yeah, he's a jerk.

But he's not a jerk because he blew up someones Mac in high sec, or declared war on your corp. He's a jerk because he took things beyond the game environment in a malicious manner. He left the realm of role playing and fantasy behind and took advantage of his anonymity to try and hurt you emotionally in real life.

That's where the line is drawn, because if his blowing up your imaginary pixels and laughing maniacally in a virtual role playing game about space ships causes you emotional distress in real life then the issue lies in your own head... not his.



By your own logic, Charlie Sheen isn't a womanizer, alky, self-absorbed jackass, he just plays one on TV....Oh wait.....Shocked


And Harrison Ford plays the characters he would like to be in real-life, like many actors and actresses. If your going to spin something, you should have tried a different yarn.....


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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#102 - 2012-09-18 04:41:53 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
If you don't know how to act like a grandmother-selling, backstabbing arsewipe, of what value is your respect and cordiality? Similarly, if you can't behave with respect and decorum when there are no consequences for poor behaviour, of what value is your lip service to law and order?

Civilization is a thin veneer over the barbarian within.


This is untrue because you're forgetting one crucial fact: 'eve online' is a game

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#103 - 2012-09-18 04:43:49 UTC
Andski wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
If you don't know how to act like a grandmother-selling, backstabbing arsewipe, of what value is your respect and cordiality? Similarly, if you can't behave with respect and decorum when there are no consequences for poor behaviour, of what value is your lip service to law and order?

Civilization is a thin veneer over the barbarian within.

This is untrue because you're forgetting one crucial fact: 'eve online' is a game

Do people always act like this when they lose a ship or get trolled in Jita local by an isk doubler/tripler etc?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#104 - 2012-09-18 04:45:19 UTC
Sarah Schneider wrote:
Posting in a blog traffic promotion thread.
Tiberius Amzadee
The Night Stalker Syndicate
#105 - 2012-09-18 04:49:40 UTC
"If you're an arse in the game, you're an arse outside the game ..."
Hey I take offence to that!
I may take pleasure in taking away or ruining the lives of thousands of make believe men,women,and children on star ships,planets,and stations.
...but I'm the nicest person you'll ever meet offline.
It's that religious person that loves playing an Amarrian you need to keep an eye on.Cool
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#106 - 2012-09-18 04:51:18 UTC
EglantinFinfleur wrote:
Should all gamers respect each other and consider online worlds as tools to roleplay, making virtual assets as ends in themselves and not as means to make their fellow gamer mad, there would not be need ever for PvP limitations. It could be FFA everywhere all the time, and that would not cause any problem, since common decency would be unconsciously applied.

This is one of the funniest pipe dreams I've ever read on these forums.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#107 - 2012-09-18 04:54:09 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
EglantinFinfleur wrote:
Should all gamers respect each other and consider online worlds as tools to roleplay, making virtual assets as ends in themselves and not as means to make their fellow gamer mad, there would not be need ever for PvP limitations. It could be FFA everywhere all the time, and that would not cause any problem, since common decency would be unconsciously applied.

This is one of the funniest pipe dreams I've ever read on these forums.

Yeah, people roleplay a capsule pilot that makes other capsule pilots mad.

Because eternity is a *****, or so they told me.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#108 - 2012-09-18 04:59:00 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Yeah, people roleplay a capsule pilot that makes other capsule pilots mad.

Because eternity is a *****, or so they told me.

I imagine being immortal would get pretty boring at some point, what better way to stay entertained than engineering other's reactions?

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#109 - 2012-09-18 05:00:45 UTC
Only a mortal could think immortality would be boring.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#110 - 2012-09-18 05:12:06 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
Only a mortal could think immortality would be boring.

Only a mortal could think that immortality could never get boring.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#111 - 2012-09-18 05:21:54 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Paul Oliver wrote:
Only a mortal could think immortality would be boring.

Only a mortal could think that immortality could never get boring.

"But there's a trapdoor in the sun..."

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#112 - 2012-09-18 05:25:22 UTC
Webvan wrote:
"But there's a trapdoor in the sun..."

"If you want to touch the sky, just put a window in your eye."

Really not sure where to take this...

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#113 - 2012-09-18 05:51:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
ian papabear wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
ian papabear wrote:
lots of people are posting stuff like they are good people in real life but becasue its a game they can act however they want, i wouldnt mind observing them in real life and if you are the good person you claim to be in real life why act like a jackass in game? thats just being fake.

Role
Playing
Game

Look this up.



thats fine and all being an rpg game, but do you act like that in person? do you think that behavior is fine? do you have kids? would you be proud of your kids acting the way some of these players (general use of the phrase these players) do


I have often run gaming sessions for my children. My characters have scared them, have outraged them, have killed them, have been killed by them, and have challenged them to the limits of their abilities and imagination.

They loved every minute of it and are far more straight laced and are of stronger moral fiber than I ever was at their age. They still pester me to run game sessions for them to this day, and my elder son is 30.

It's ROLE PLAYING, by definition you are portraying a character that has a personality that is often very, very different from your own.

Here's a newsflash.

Harrison Ford isn't really a hero, he's an actor.
Alfred Hitchcock wasn't a psychotic killer, but he made up and produced movies about great ones.
Your friend that plays Dungeons and Dragons isn't really a Paladin or an Assassin, he's a nerd.
I have never committed homicide, and have no desire to... nor would I if I could easily get away with it.

People who believe otherwise have difficulty discerning the difference between fantasy and reality, what is real from make believe, and because of that limitation tend to project motivations on people that are role playing or acting that aren't really there.

They also tend to take events in a game far, far to seriously.

Now that fella that starts making fun of someone's mother that just died in real life? Yeah, he's a jerk.

But he's not a jerk because he blew up someones Mac in high sec, or declared war on your corp. He's a jerk because he took things beyond the game environment in a malicious manner. He left the realm of role playing and fantasy behind and took advantage of his anonymity to try and hurt you emotionally in real life.

That's where the line is drawn, because if his blowing up your imaginary pixels and laughing maniacally in a virtual role playing game about space ships causes you emotional distress in real life then the issue lies in your own head... not his.



By your own logic, Charlie Sheen isn't a womanizer, alky, self-absorbed jackass, he just plays one on TV....Oh wait.....Shocked


And Harrison Ford plays the characters he would like to be in real-life, like many actors and actresses. If your going to spin something, you should have tried a different yarn.....




Nice try Bob, but I said when role playing (or acting) you are OFTEN portraying someone with a personality unlike your own.

Charlie Sheen is often type cast (because he is a very poor actor), and I am the idol of millions both inside and outside the game Smile... but that doesn't change the fact that MOST actors are nothing like the majority of the parts they play. Nor are most role players.

The point you so astutely ignored is that the character an actor or person role playing assumes provides little or no insight into how that person actually behaves... and the better the actor or role player is the fewer clues you have.

You know Charlie Sheen is a self absorbed egotist because he has had plenty of press and interviews that lets you make that assumption... not because of the character he played in 2 1/2 men.

While you are at it, what is the real personality type of Harrison Ford? Is he striving to be Han Solo, renegade hero... or was he playing more true to type when he played Dr. Norman Spencer, the man who tries to kill his wife in "What Lies Beneath"? One man playing two completely different personality types. By your theory, he must want to be a part time hero, part time wife killer. Smile

Are you beginning to see the problem with your theory yet?

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#114 - 2012-09-18 05:51:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Karl Hobb wrote:
Webvan wrote:
"But there's a trapdoor in the sun..."

"If you want to touch the sky, just put a window in your eye."

Really not sure where to take this...
I don't know man, but that quote plus the word immortality ranked #1 within 15 minutes on google, linking here.

=
Anyway, if people are the same in game as out, does that mean carebears stay hidden in their parents basement 24/7?
You could get ganked walking out the front door.

btw I wouldn't have a prob with immortality Cool
...as long as I'm not some cyborg

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#115 - 2012-09-18 05:58:53 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Anyway, if people are the same in game as out, does that mean carebears stay hidden in their parents basement 24/7?
You could get ganked walking out the front door.

Would it still count as PvP?

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#116 - 2012-09-18 06:05:12 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Webvan wrote:
Anyway, if people are the same in game as out, does that mean carebears stay hidden in their parents basement 24/7?
You could get ganked walking out the front door.

Would it still count as PvP?

Eventually, yes, when their parents get tired of them freeloading.
Hide the evidence...

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#117 - 2012-09-18 06:07:38 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Eventually, yes, when their parents get tired of them freeloading.
Hide the evidence...

My uncle owns a pig farm, we're good.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#118 - 2012-09-18 07:22:05 UTC
ian papabear wrote:
thats fine and all being an rpg game, but do you act like that in person?

No, I don't. I also don't run around shooting people in the face, yet I happily did that before consoles (and EA) ****** up FPS games. Does that mean that I'm a mass-murderer in training?

ian papabear wrote:
do you think that behavior is fine?

In games? Well duh, it's the way the game is designed to be played (amongst others).

ian papabear wrote:
do you have kids? would you be proud of your kids acting the way some of these players (general use of the phrase these players) do

I do not have kids, but if I did I wouldn't be frothing at the mouth about how evil they are in a game designed in this fashion.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#119 - 2012-09-18 07:28:44 UTC
Andski wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
If you don't know how to act like a grandmother-selling, backstabbing arsewipe, of what value is your respect and cordiality? Similarly, if you can't behave with respect and decorum when there are no consequences for poor behaviour, of what value is your lip service to law and order?

Civilization is a thin veneer over the barbarian within.


This is untrue because you're forgetting one crucial fact: 'eve online' is a game

heathen.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#120 - 2012-09-18 07:30:18 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Webvan wrote:
Eventually, yes, when their parents get tired of them freeloading.
Hide the evidence...

My uncle owns a pig farm, we're good.

Just swore off ham and bacon in case there's some bad Eve dudes in the DNA.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."