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Drone baiting - does it work?

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Chimpy B
The Philosophy Of Two
#1 - 2012-09-17 20:12:20 UTC
I was in a DED site the other day in high-sec, in my vexor, and another player (in a tengu, obviously) comes in and targets me, gaining a yellow reticle. I had my drones out on aggressive. I was worried the drones would attack him/her and I would get beat up by concord, so I put my drones on passive.

Would the drones have attacked him/her, just for targeting me? What if I had targeted the other player back? (The other player stole my faction kill anyway.)

I had a look on the net and I couldn't find any good answers.

Cheers.
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-09-17 20:14:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
Based on limited experience it seems that drones set to aggressive only attack if the enemy target fires on you, could be wrong though, drone behavior seems kind of unreliable sometimes.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-09-17 20:34:23 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
Based on limited experience it seems that drones set to aggressive only attack if the enemy target fires on you, could be wrong though, drone behavior seems kind of unreliable sometimes.

This is how it's supposed to work. I've noticed that a lot of times my drones will just sit there though; they're a little iffy.
Tamiya Sarossa
Resistance is Character Forming
#4 - 2012-09-17 20:35:21 UTC
Drones set to aggressive will only attack someone who aggresses you, so nope, they can never get you Concorded and they don't go after people who flip your cans etc., only people who directly take aggressive actions against your ship.
Kari Juptris
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#5 - 2012-09-17 20:47:42 UTC
They won't get you concorded, but they can and will screw with your aggression timer at for gates and docking.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#6 - 2012-09-17 20:54:58 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Paul Oliver wrote:
Based on limited experience it seems that drones set to aggressive only attack if the enemy target fires on you, could be wrong though, drone behavior seems kind of unreliable sometimes.

This is how it's supposed to work. I've noticed that a lot of times my drones will just sit there though; they're a little iffy.

They only respond if they are already present when you are attacked by a particular hostile.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-09-17 21:34:54 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
Based on limited experience it seems that drones set to aggressive only attack if the enemy target fires on you, could be wrong though, drone behavior seems kind of unreliable sometimes.


This is exactly how drones work.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#8 - 2012-09-17 21:48:40 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Paul Oliver wrote:
Based on limited experience it seems that drones set to aggressive only attack if the enemy target fires on you, could be wrong though, drone behavior seems kind of unreliable sometimes.


This is exactly how drones work.


Or if you fire/activate modules on someone else.

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Ditra Vorthran
Caldari Imports and Exports
#9 - 2012-09-17 23:26:34 UTC
Of course, someone can use them against you.

You're flying around with drones on aggressive. Cheap ship targets you and attacks. You're drones, being set on aggressive, attack back. You are now aggro to him and, if I recall correctly, anyone in his corporation. He gets CONCORDED, but his buddy drops in on you and proceeds to turn you into space dust.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#10 - 2012-09-17 23:44:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Ditra Vorthran wrote:
Of course, someone can use them against you.

You're flying around with drones on aggressive. Cheap ship targets you and attacks. You're drones, being set on aggressive, attack back. You are now aggro to him and, if I recall correctly, anyone in his corporation. He gets CONCORDED, but his buddy drops in on you and proceeds to turn you into space dust.

This is incorrect.

Only theft flags you to the corp.
Agent Akari
Absolute Order XVIII
Absolute Will
#11 - 2012-09-18 00:57:06 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Ditra Vorthran wrote:
Of course, someone can use them against you.

You're flying around with drones on aggressive. Cheap ship targets you and attacks. You're drones, being set on aggressive, attack back. You are now aggro to him and, if I recall correctly, anyone in his corporation. He gets CONCORDED, but his buddy drops in on you and proceeds to turn you into space dust.

This is incorrect.

Only theft flags you to the corp.


The drones attack the other player and thus flagging you. I think...
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-09-18 01:03:14 UTC
Agent Akari wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Ditra Vorthran wrote:
Of course, someone can use them against you.

You're flying around with drones on aggressive. Cheap ship targets you and attacks. You're drones, being set on aggressive, attack back. You are now aggro to him and, if I recall correctly, anyone in his corporation. He gets CONCORDED, but his buddy drops in on you and proceeds to turn you into space dust.

This is incorrect.

Only theft flags you to the corp.


The drones attack the other player and thus flagging you. I think...


No. Because that guy was defending himself...he would only have aggro with the guy who was the aggressor. None of his corp mates would be able to attack him.
LilRemmy
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-09-18 01:05:47 UTC
Point is... the guy loses his cheap noob ship, docks and comes back in a real ship.
Matthias Duran
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-09-18 01:18:03 UTC
LilRemmy wrote:
Point is... the guy loses his cheap noob ship, docks and comes back in a real ship.


And then gets concorded again, as his gcc timer is still active. If he waits for that to end, the other player's aggression timer will have ended as well.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#15 - 2012-09-18 01:27:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Mars Theran
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
Agent Akari wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Ditra Vorthran wrote:
Of course, someone can use them against you.

You're flying around with drones on aggressive. Cheap ship targets you and attacks. You're drones, being set on aggressive, attack back. You are now aggro to him and, if I recall correctly, anyone in his corporation. He gets CONCORDED, but his buddy drops in on you and proceeds to turn you into space dust.

This is incorrect.

Only theft flags you to the corp.


The drones attack the other player and thus flagging you. I think...


No. Because that guy was defending himself...he would only have aggro with the guy who was the aggressor. None of his corp mates would be able to attack him.


I don't know, I used a NOS on a person who I can flipped in Jita yesterday after they aggressed me, and two of their Corp mates and the one I flipped vaporized my ship without Concord response once I did that. They were present when I used the NOS though, and I imagine in Fleet with the person.

I was just testing the armor reps on a Hyperion I built, and wanted to see if I could manage the Reps and 2 min. docking timer. Bhaalgorn and Vindi kind of screwed that up though. Lol Still, it was fun, and I didn't mind losing the ship.

I Pyfa'd the stupid thing after I bought the materials and threw it into manufacturing and realized I'd made a mistake. None of the Gallente Battleships are particularly good, but the Hyperion is particularly bad, and doesn't fit armor tank worth ****, despite its bonuses.

I think I managed to cycle one of my armor reps once, both my Cap boosters, and was waiting for the 3 Armor reps to make a full cycle when the Vindi and Bhaalgorn pretty much Alpha'd me with the help of the Hurricane. That took me all the way into structure, and my ship blew up before the Reps finished their respective cycles.

I know, it can get a pretty decent buffer, but I was trying to use the bonuses and the armor buffer wouldn't have survived 2 minutes anyway. Either way, it is really kind of pathetic and reminds me of my last turn in a Rokh, which isn't any better really.

Hopefully Tiericide and ship rebalancing will get there and do something about it soon. Next summer maybe.. Smile

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Fortunately, it was insured, so I got 221 million of that back; unfortunately, the insurance cast 66 million, so still lost ~100 million, even if my wallet isn't substantially different from what it was before I started. Couple sales of some stuff, and I hardly noticed.

P.S. It was a fair fight. It took nearly 10 minutes for the Vindi and Bhaalgorn to show up and I could have docked at very nearly any time, up until I tried to make sure the Hurricane pilot didn't think I was just going to dock up as I had deagressed after the 10-20 seconds while waiting for my shields to go down.

Actually thought they were going to give up before I could test my tank. I was sort of aware of the other possibility too, but not really concerned. Blink
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Lin Gi'Do
Red Bull Industries
#16 - 2012-09-18 01:38:50 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
I don't know, I used a NOS on a person who I can flipped in Jita yesterday after they aggressed me, and two of their Corp mates and the one I flipped vaporized my ship without Concord response once I did that. They were present when I used the NOS though, and I imagine in Fleet with the person.


The whole canflipping was your problem there, not the use of your NOS on him.

You stole from them and that flags you for the whole corp.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#17 - 2012-09-18 03:54:38 UTC
Lin Gi'Do wrote:
Mars Theran wrote:
I don't know, I used a NOS on a person who I can flipped in Jita yesterday after they aggressed me, and two of their Corp mates and the one I flipped vaporized my ship without Concord response once I did that. They were present when I used the NOS though, and I imagine in Fleet with the person.


The whole canflipping was your problem there, not the use of your NOS on him.

You stole from them and that flags you for the whole corp.


Cool, I see that in some of the other stuff too. I'm not exactly familiar with can-flipping or aggression systems. I haven't done a lot of fighting in Empire space. Also, limited fighting out of Empire space; and virtually never the aggressor.

Makes sense that they were just waiting for me to lock myself out of the station then. Smile
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Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#18 - 2012-09-18 06:09:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Piugattuk
Chimpy B wrote:
I was in a DED site the other day in high-sec, in my vexor, and another player (in a tengu, obviously) comes in and targets me, gaining a yellow reticle. I had my drones out on aggressive. I was worried the drones would attack him/her and I would get beat up by concord, so I put my drones on passive.

Would the drones have attacked him/her, just for targeting me? What if I had targeted the other player back? (The other player stole my faction kill anyway.)

I had a look on the net and I couldn't find any good answers.

Cheers.

That's why anything worth something I target it, if I get a visitor I blow it up, all the other trash they can have I love them getting mad and bumping me to express their frustration.
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#19 - 2012-09-18 07:58:11 UTC
It's incredible how easily players will correct someone with incorrect statements of their own.

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#20 - 2012-09-18 08:11:19 UTC
Tul Breetai wrote:
It's incredible how easily players will correct someone with incorrect statements of their own.


It does not help the fact that EvE has the most intricate PvP flagging system ever conceived.
Its code probably looks like to an Italian law articles.
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