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Made a fortune in Pve -- Need help in industry
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Titan Fanatic
Corcoran State Academy
#1 - 2012-09-17 18:33:05 UTC
Hello all,

I'm a long time PVE/PVP player who has recently got rid of all assets ( including my character ), and have managed to stash away 40+ billion isk.

I would really enjoy trying the finer side of eve ( industry). I have a few questions:

Does the industry tutorial on new character creation actually teach you all the basics of bpo's/bpc's and manufacturing or do I need a more extensive resource?

What would you recommend doing with said isk that provides a steady return on investment without a great deal of time playing?
Jason McCoy
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-09-17 18:35:08 UTC
So you want a great deal of return, without playing. Come on man!

Have you looked into PI?
Titan Fanatic
Corcoran State Academy
#3 - 2012-09-17 18:37:48 UTC
Jason McCoy wrote:
So you want a great deal of return, without playing. Come on man!

Have you looked into PI?



Not yet :D

I don't need a great deal of return, just something that keeps earning a little :)
Jason McCoy
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-09-17 18:39:33 UTC
Have you looked at PI? I might be looking into that direction in the next few months.
AnnaBelle Bartlet
AnnaBelle Farms
#5 - 2012-09-17 18:44:03 UTC
Tutorial just scratches the surface of the industry mechanics - basically that you can make stuff from the science and industry window. In order to profit from manufacturing, knowing your markets is key, along with mad spreadsheet skills.

Some useful recent threads linked below:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=98241&find=unread

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1145497#post1145497. Post #11 author has numerous excellent threads you may want to look for also.
Rexorol
Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen
#6 - 2012-09-17 18:52:48 UTC
Jason McCoy wrote:
Have you looked at PI? I might be looking into that direction in the next few months.


Despite all of the rumors here, PI is anything but easy, passive ISK.

Sure, if you just produce P1-P2 on a single planet, you can get away with resetting extractors a few minutes each day and hauling to a station once or twice a week (which might be dangerous, if you go for max yield on non-high sec planets). You can make more money for the same amount of time each week running a single level 4 high sec mission with a lot less hauling. Quick PI may save you some money if you are using the materials for POS fuel you were already needing anyway.

If you want to make actual, worthwhile money in PI, you need to have several planets in low/null sec making P1-P2 materials which get imported to factory planets to crank out as many advanced materials as possible. This requires a lot of hauling, tinkering with extractors to juggle between P0 shortfalls on resource planets, more hauling, and hoping nobody is camping your custom's office causing you to lose out on a 500 million isk week-long production run.

For the OP, any kind of investment in EVE is going to require some level of supervision and work. The more time you put in, the better the payoff will be.
celebro
Ember Inc.
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#7 - 2012-09-17 19:46:42 UTC
Rexorol wrote:
Jason McCoy wrote:
Have you looked at PI? I might be looking into that direction in the next few months.


Despite all of the rumors here, PI is anything but easy, passive ISK.

Sure, if you just produce P1-P2 on a single planet, you can get away with resetting extractors a few minutes each day and hauling to a station once or twice a week (which might be dangerous, if you go for max yield on non-high sec planets). You can make more money for the same amount of time each week running a single level 4 high sec mission with a lot less hauling. Quick PI may save you some money if you are using the materials for POS fuel you were already needing anyway.

If you want to make actual, worthwhile money in PI, you need to have several planets in low/null sec making P1-P2 materials which get imported to factory planets to crank out as many advanced materials as possible. This requires a lot of hauling, tinkering with extractors to juggle between P0 shortfalls on resource planets, more hauling, and hoping nobody is camping your custom's office causing you to lose out on a 500 million isk week-long production run.

For the OP, any kind of investment in EVE is going to require some level of supervision and work. The more time you put in, the better the payoff will be.


Translation: He does not want more competition.

Search the forums/internet for some guides, to get you started on PI, and decide for yourself, high sec is a good start.
Pipa Porto
#8 - 2012-09-17 19:50:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Titan Fanatic wrote:
What would you recommend doing with said isk that provides a steady return on investment without a great deal of time playing?


Research and Sell BPOs.
Research BPOs then Copy and Sell BPCs.
React Moon Goo.
Invent things.
Manufacture things.
Invest in other people's things for a fixed return.
Trade.

These are things that you can do in industry. Each category has many stops on the Income vs Time Invested function and on the ROI vs Time Invested function.

All of them require a significant outlay in market research to produce high incomes (or everyone would do it and the high incomes would disappear like they did with Titan BP copying).

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Cipio Hakoke
Tactical Manufacturing Group
#9 - 2012-09-17 20:24:28 UTC
PI would definitely be an easy small isk return over time, especially if you have access to low/null/wh space. Trading is a lot of playing time, manufacturing is less playing more researching. as for other aspects I haven't delved into them yet so I cannot comment.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#10 - 2012-09-17 20:51:41 UTC
Play around with the small cheaper stuff like ammo, modules, and drones, while you are getting your skills up. By the time you get all the skills in place to make a decent profit you will have a good idea of what you are doing.

I would recommend getting science skills first. Since you have the capital to get rolling, buy some T1 BPO's you are interested in in get them in the cooker getting the ME/PE levels up. Most BPO's are worth getting down below 1% waste as they start at 10% waste.

Researching several BPO's up to decent levels can take several months with your own POS and much longer using NPC station research slots if you can find any with slots available in a reasonable time frame.

With 40 bil starting capital it will probably not be long before you will be wanting your own POS. It makes a manufacturers life much easier. Start out with a small tower in high sec with 2-3 labs.(small caldari can fit 3 labs with defenses ofline) Get used to using the POS as when you really get into the indy side of EVE you will need that experience. Once you are used to POS mechanics and running a POS you can upgrade to a medium or large as needed. Even though you could easily afford a large POS right away, it is just a waste until you get used to running one and know how to make good use of it.