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How many people would still play if PLEX was removed from the game
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Rellik B00n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#81 - 2012-09-16 19:58:20 UTC
ill take either, if they give me gametime i still get 5 years subbed.

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Archa4 Badasaz
Vangazhi
#82 - 2012-09-16 21:09:12 UTC
Started with a 14 day trial and Never actually paid, scraped isk's for plex in the beggining, but now paid 6 months in advance: all with plex. And if this option would be gone, I would as well...
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#83 - 2012-09-17 01:39:21 UTC
Archa4 Badasaz wrote:
Started with a 14 day trial and Never actually paid, scraped isk's for plex in the beggining, but now paid 6 months in advance: all with plex. And if this option would be gone, I would as well...
And that would be a damn shame....
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Doomheim
#84 - 2012-09-17 04:49:34 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
getting rid of plex and giving us a true sandbox again? Yea.. I'd most certainly still play Cool


You'd pay on a hacked server because tranquility would go down when CCP couldn't pay the bill.
There would be layoffs, possibly, but EVE has existed with far less active accounts than it does today.
Not saying I agree with any such removal of PLEX, it's a silly thought. Though ideas of shutting down over PLEX removal is just as erroneous.


There's no question about it really. The server existed with far less players on it before, but that was on a smaller server, and pre loan. Post loan they openly admitted that the Incarna exodus almost broke them. A PLEX exodus would trump the Incarna rage by several magnitudes.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#85 - 2012-09-17 06:56:35 UTC
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
Webvan wrote:
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
getting rid of plex and giving us a true sandbox again? Yea.. I'd most certainly still play Cool


You'd pay on a hacked server because tranquility would go down when CCP couldn't pay the bill.
There would be layoffs, possibly, but EVE has existed with far less active accounts than it does today.
Not saying I agree with any such removal of PLEX, it's a silly thought. Though ideas of shutting down over PLEX removal is just as erroneous.


There's no question about it really. The server existed with far less players on it before, but that was on a smaller server, and pre loan. Post loan they openly admitted that the Incarna exodus almost broke them. A PLEX exodus would trump the Incarna rage by several magnitudes.

The loan is on DUST, PLEX or less accounts in EVE would not effect that. Been a long time since server upgrades, shouldn't still be in the red there. This is all preposterous, really. Sky falling?

I'm in it for the money

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Just Lilly
#86 - 2012-09-17 08:51:33 UTC
Ofc I'd pay

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#87 - 2012-09-17 09:08:55 UTC
One thing is clear, I would not have the number of accounts I do - and removing PLEX, yeah that's something CCP would do if they want to go bankrupt or if they are going F2P.

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Adoro
Below the Asteroids Ltd.
#88 - 2012-09-17 09:14:39 UTC
Jamie Banks wrote:
I would drop down to 1 character.

And I would play the game for the games sake instead of playing the game to pay my subscription to play the game.


This. I pay EVE with cash exactly for this reason. Also I'm not a poor student sod IRL so why spend time on making EVE money whilst I can make a lot more money in real life 10 times faster and just pay?

Time = Money

1 hour rl works equals atleast one month of EVE sub. I find it hard to make 500mil (1 plex) in the same time
R0me0 Charl1e
Easy A Industries
#89 - 2012-09-17 11:44:57 UTC
If CCP did remove PLEX (which they would never do), I would go back to subscription. I currently buy two PLEX a month, one for the account and one to sell to pad my wallet.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#90 - 2012-09-17 11:53:17 UTC
Webvan wrote:
The loan is on DUST, PLEX or less accounts in EVE would not effect that. Been a long time since server upgrades, shouldn't still be in the red there. This is all preposterous, really. Sky falling?

Yes, having less cash inflow when you have to pay interest is just fine as long as the interest is for the other thing...

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Doc Severide
Doomheim
#91 - 2012-09-17 13:02:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Severide
Malka Badi'a wrote:
Doc Severide wrote:
I pay 5 accounts once a year. Cash only. I believe CCP should actually get paid for their hard work...


Alright, fish ****. Let's get something straight.

Buying a PLEX:$19.00 per month, or the standard special of $209.94 for 12 plexes.
Subscribing:$14.95 per month, or the standard special of $131.40 for 12 months.

The people who buy the PLEX from CCP give them $78.54 more per year than you ever will, which means that the people who buy those PLEX are making sure CCP get paid more for their hard work than your illogical butterlips ever could.

Citations:

  1. https://secure.eveonline.com/UpdateSubscriptionInterval.aspx
  2. https://secure.eveonline.com/PLEX/ (limited special running right now, still more expensive than a subscription)

Geez...You on the rag Mary??? I stopped reading as soon as you started calling me names. Whiner...
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#92 - 2012-09-17 13:10:51 UTC
When CCP stops selling plex that is a sign that EVE is being closed.

The question remains what sort of timeframe will ccp give the player base inorder for them to use up what plex they have.

You will see a mass selloff of plex both in-game and in RL and at cheap prices. I personally dont plex my account because I dont have too but I do know some players personally who have enough plex to pay for multiple accounts for years. It was espically funny when that studio 38 declared banruptcy and I decided to don my tinfoil hat and told him that could happen to CCP without warning. He sold off a good chunk of his plex just incase it did so he wasnt left holding the bag.



TLDR- CCP ends Plex = End of game

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Idris Helion
Doomheim
#93 - 2012-09-17 13:28:45 UTC
I think PLEX has been a good thing, both for CCP and for the players. As can be seen from many replies up-thread, it's a way for less wealthy players to stay in the game and a way for wealthier but time-constrained players to achieve their goals in-game.

I sub by the year because using PLEX to pay for game time doesn't make financial sense. At the rate PLEX is selling for now, using PLEX for game-time means paying about a 25% premium over paying a yearly sub (in USD, anyway). Poorer players have more time than money, so the time-cost is not as high to them as it is to players with jobs and families in RL. It's actually a pretty neat idea, and I salute CCP for this novel solution to the RMT problem.

PLEX does have some problems though. As a tradeable in-game good, it's prone to speculation and hoarding. If a player pays for his/her sub with PLEX, it tends to introduce a level of grind into the game that is not fun -- 500M ISK may not be a lot to some, but it's a substantial chunk of money to a lower-level toon, or to someone who's running three or four accounts. It can lead to a vicious spiral: grinding ISK to buy PLEX to play EVE to grind ISK to buy PLEX to.... EVE is meant to be entertainment, not a full-time (and unpaid) job.

PLEX is an interesting way to provide a "free to play" model without actually making the game FTP. It's been pretty successful so far, so I doubt CCP is going to end the program any time soon.
Yishna Strone
We Aim To MisBehave
Kenshin Shogunate.
#94 - 2012-09-17 13:44:11 UTC
I like this game. I pay for my accounts every 6 months. Removing plex would make no difference to me.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#95 - 2012-09-17 14:36:00 UTC
Nonsense.

CCP will never remove PLEX.

PLEX should never be removed.
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#96 - 2012-09-17 14:40:23 UTC
For me, PLEX was removed from the game when it broke 350 million isk a unit. There is nothing wrong with the mechanic of it, it is basically a work contract with another player, but people are convinced it is a massively unfair cheating mechanism.

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HellFish Holding
Doomheim
#97 - 2012-09-17 15:17:07 UTC
Chicken drumsticks.
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#98 - 2012-09-17 16:07:35 UTC
Yeah sure I'd carry on playing. I'd miss PLEX but it's not the game.

I never understood why most players with an average job would not just pay to play the game unless they are in a position to earn ISK effortlessly enough to just not case about spending it on PLEX.

I've heard people say things like "I could easily afford to pay but I just like grinding to play for free" before and it's never really hit home. I guess there is some sense of acheivement or bragging rights to say you "play for free".

The fact that is sometimes overlooked in this area of discussion is that every PLEX was bought by a player. So regardless of whether you play by paying CCP directly or by grinding for a plex, someone somewhere paid CCP for that game time.

Would CCP get rid of PLEX? No chance - they are actually making more money on PLEX than on direct payment. Check your Account Management page; PLEX prices are higher than directly paid for game time.

PLEX is here to stay and making CCP a lot of money.

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Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#99 - 2012-09-17 16:10:48 UTC
Doc Severide wrote:
Sugar Kyle wrote:
I pay my accounts by the year.

Sugar you're so cute...


I pay 5 accounts once a year. Cash only. I believe CCP should actually get paid for their hard work...


CCP gets paid via PLEX

wtf is it with people and not understanding that PLEX or sub is still money in CCP's pocket?


DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND HOW PLEX WORKS?


Player 1 buys X-day GTC <--- CCP GETS MONEY
Player 1 converts X-day GTC into (x/30) PLEXes
Player 1 Posts (x/30) PLEXes on the market


Other players buy PLEX
Other players use PLEX

in fact CCP gets MORE MONEY from plex than it does from subs. my three accounts are all yearly paid - and they give you about a 40% discount for doing that.

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#100 - 2012-09-17 16:16:35 UTC
Ryhss wrote:
Paul Oliver wrote:
Ryhss wrote:
I wouldn't play if PLEX was removed.
Why because you might have to work for your isk instead of buying it? P

No, because with PLEX I play for free.


no you don't. how long does it take you to earn the 400m-500m for a plex?

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.