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Question for some vets about capital pilots
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Den Arius
Monte Inc
#1 - 2012-09-16 19:44:14 UTC
I'm currently training my main as a combat pilot, and I'm very interested in getting into capitals. I've talked to many players about what they do (I'm looking to fly either an Archon or Thanatos).

Here is my question: is it more common/would it be better to train up an alt specifically for Logi (and then into an Archon)? The actual Archon train takes about 4 months, so what I'm wondering is if it'd make more sense to just let my main skill and train into this, considering he'll have all the support skills trained. It seems like a waste of training a second account, since many of the support skills would be the same.

Really, for the Eve veterans, I'm just wanting to know how it's usually done: would I be better served by taking my main, combat related focused account into dreads, then use a special account for logi and carriers?

I know the "Eve answer" is depends, and I know it does, but you guys can let me know what's more common or what has been seen the most.

Thanks for ANY information you guys can give me. I have a pretty good layout of my skillplan for the next year or so, and at that point I have archons tenatively scheduled. If it makes more sense to have a "capital-only pilot," then that's something I could begin training for now. Thanks again, everyone!

Bobb
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-09-16 19:47:22 UTC
If you plan on moving on to supercapitals with your pilot in training, then it makes sense to stick to training only capitals. Training for an Archon takes much longer than four months.

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#3 - 2012-09-16 19:47:47 UTC
thanny is king pve for 0.0 and is goodish i guess for ops... but the archon is kind **** for pvp ops...

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Den Arius
Monte Inc
#4 - 2012-09-16 19:50:32 UTC
Andski wrote:
...Archon takes much longer than four months.


I meant the time to sit in the hull. I know it's not 4 months to fly an archon and win.

Bobb
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-09-16 19:53:46 UTC
I can fly capitals and they're more a pain in the ass than anything. Took me a couple weeks to just get the fittings because they're all so big Evil

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King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#6 - 2012-09-16 19:56:13 UTC
As said, it depends on where you plan to go with it. If your plan is to fly carriers, then train it on your main since it should already have support skills. But if you plan to use a carrier only as a stepping stone to a SC, then it may make more sense to train an alt. That said, you could train your main to actually use it and then train an alt to simply sit in it and park it when you want your main doing other stuff. I think that is actually the more common route.

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Aziesta
Binal Extensions
Xagenic Freymvork
#7 - 2012-09-16 19:58:32 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
but the archon is kind **** for pvp ops...

If by **** you mean "king". At least for armor fleets.
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
#8 - 2012-09-16 20:06:43 UTC
I'd say hold off on focusing on capitals until you've trained all the subcaps of the race you want to fly, it takes a long time to get into a capital and be able to use it, if you blitz right for it, you'll be bored for a long while while your skills train.

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HVAC Repairman
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-09-16 20:28:20 UTC
have an alt dedicated to capitals and your main dedicated to subcaps

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#10 - 2012-09-16 21:01:26 UTC
Aziesta wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
but the archon is kind **** for pvp ops...

If by **** you mean "king". At least for armor fleets.


i have been drinking sorry... i meant king Shiite

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Doddy
Excidium.
#11 - 2012-09-16 21:02:59 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
thanny is king pve for 0.0 and is goodish i guess for ops... but the archon is kind **** for pvp ops...


Trying to figure out what **** makes you not completely wrong.....
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#12 - 2012-09-16 21:12:46 UTC
Train for a Nidhoggur. Be unique.

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James1122
Perimeter Trade and Distribution Inc
#13 - 2012-09-16 21:16:14 UTC
Capitals are useful,

Subcaps are fun.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#14 - 2012-09-16 21:18:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
1. Train to sit in carrier.
2. Train Jump Drive Calibration 4 (5 strongly recommended).
3. Move your stuff around instead of relying on others. Never use carrier in combat (for now).
4. Train Logistics.
5. Train capital logistics.

Archon > Thanatos, though you can't rep a large control tower with an Archon (some consider this a bonus).

I'm a Chimera pilot. I have an alt that is a Chimera and Thanatos pilot, and another alt that is an Archon pilot.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-09-16 21:20:14 UTC
meh.... i would have a main for capitals... i just wouldn't use them as much...
if you are going super cap do it on an alt, or at least have an alt to do nothing but sit in it else you can lose it ( you cannot dock super caps.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#16 - 2012-09-16 21:35:07 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
meh.... i would have a main for capitals... i just wouldn't use them as much...
if you are going super cap do it on an alt, or at least have an alt to do nothing but sit in it else you can lose it ( you cannot dock super caps.



not true... leave your char in space... allow the game time to run out...

then when you resub you will be in a station with your super cap...

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Den Arius
Monte Inc
#17 - 2012-09-16 21:42:47 UTC
Thanks everyone for your responses! I just had a follow up question about supercaps: are Aeons and Nyxes, for example, just "better, stronger, tougher" versions of their Carrier bretheren, or do they have different roles altogether?
And sort of a follow-up to that, Titans vs Dreads: same but bigger? (I'm not terribly familiar with dreads or especially titans over just hearing the "dreads are good for POS-bashing."

Herping yourDerp wrote:
you cannot dock super caps.

I thought they were changing this with the winter POS changes?

Bobb
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#18 - 2012-09-16 21:43:42 UTC
Almost no one trains their main for this role.

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Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
#19 - 2012-09-16 21:48:19 UTC
If you don't plan on going for supercaps, then it makes sense to use your main. Support skills are there, BS5 is there etc. Unless of course you fancy an alt, in which case train it for caps/logi/falcon and go pwn the universe.
King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#20 - 2012-09-16 21:57:27 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Train for a Nidhoggur. Be unique.


Actually I like the niddy, rep amount bonus combined with both armor and shield reps is pretty handy. If we're talking triage, then I'm inclined to say the niddy is the superior ship since a triage carrier's survival is based almost entirely on the survival of the subcap fleet with it. And a niddy is far better at keeping that alive than the archon is.

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