EVE General Discussion

All I said was that I wasn't a fan of the +2 warp strength. I was then met with a swathe of "QQ, GANKER, OMG". I'm hardly the one moaning in this thread. Seems like you guys are very much still butthurt over hulkageddon, and are trying to take out your misery on me. Even though I never even participated... I really don't get why you guys get so upset over losing a few pixels...



Requiring having 2 or 3 people with disruptors fit to tackle one frig should not be necessary. In addition to this, having to get in range with a scram is unnecessary also. This is just all so unnecessary. Why don't we make all ships have this aversion to warp scrambling so we can all get away whenever we please? It doesn't make sense why this ship needs it in particular. Not to mention that if it has +2 warp strength as an innate bonus, this is not clear yet to me whether or not that means it is added onto the already existing 1 warp strength that it presumably has. That's just over the top.



Well when you're flaming me for not liking the fact that a mining ship is essentially uncatchable.... yes.... that does make you the carebear

Just like with the mining barge and exhumer tank buffs, they now have a limited mean of defending themselves. Sure they still can't fend off any attacks on their own, but then again that's exactly how industrial boats should be. Looking at this fart sniffing frig you can say the same thing, a limited mean of defending themselves which is the gtfo ability. It still can't fend off the attack once caught, it still cannot survive being alphaed by a fast locking boat.

Then again, if you wish to catch one of them doing its thing, you're required to either probe the boat or the site it's on, which also gives it an additional form of defense in the advance warning of probes being on dscan. The ladar cloud itself also prevents stealthy approach as the huge size of it allows the puffer to be deep inside the cloud, thus not allowing anything to come near without it being decloaked by the cloud.

These things combined can make catching such boat incredibly hard, even with nice 3 point faction scrams on instalocking ships, so in a way I do see where Selinate's coming from with her complaint. On its own the 2 point warp strenght would be a complete non issue, but with the added defense of the natural enviroment of such boat.... It's maybe a bit too much.

It's caldari ship, you don't have to know such things. Just press F1.

Better, always better lol Veldy yield sucks

That's his only claim to fame so he's milking it for everything it's got, I kinda feel sorry for the dude as it seems bumping barges is all he's got to look forward to in life.

I wasn't really complaining, I couldn't care less about ganking miners in high sec. All I care about is killing things in wormholes where you have to work for everything you do. And yes, I do puff gas here when there's nothing better to do. As for actual mining, it's not even worth it. We even let Arkonor rot in here because it's simply not worth the time or the effort to mine it, never mind hauling it out afterwards.

I have no sympathy for those so called high sec "PvP'rs" that just play station games or gank helpess targets then run at the first sign of actual combat. At the same time I also have zero sympathy for industrial players who refuse to pay attention to what goes around them.

Unless you are at war or you have set a particular ganker so that they are highlighted you can't avoid ganks in hisec if mining. You can survive them, but avoidance is pretty much impossible. It's why it's such a moronic thing to boast about. It's easy kills to pad your KB with which is fine but people need to just accept ganking for what it is, punching the fat kid on the playground.

No it's not. You can opt to mine in mission pockets or grav sites which adds an additional requirement of having to probe down either you or the site you're in, which essentially means that you are left alone due to the high number of easier targets.

Other than that, I agree. There's nothing to boast about ganking helpless people in high sec.

Your logic works well there, but here's the problem. It's not:

* Some people use bots to mine
* Ergo: All miners are bots

The logical progression is:

* The most successful people use bots to mine
* Mining is a competitive and oversaturated industry
* To compete with the most successful people you must emulate them.
* Ergo: Successful miners must ACT LIKE or USE bots.

There are good and bad players on both sides. That's they way humanity works. Always has, always will.

Best to always just do your own thing.

on the side: CCP could seriously do a better job about the bots. There got to be so many I stopped reporting. A new one has popped up with 7 nearly identical names all created 3 weeks ago. Sigh. The only ones that disappear are the ones I have ganked and reported. They may just be changing areas. Who knows ? But it is a HUGE issue.