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The thing that struck be about Eve when I first began to play is that the distances between celestial is actually correct - everything measures in AU's, all that stuff is really great for immersion.

If there were one thing that I would really like to see changed, one easy little thing, is to have asteroids rotate. In RL all asteroids rotate - some fast, some slow, ALL natural or derelict objects rotate in space.

Perhaps the same scripts that make ship debris rotate (at things like magnetotronic sites) can be applied asteroids.

I would also propose that the destroyed player ship debris clouds are sized to correspond with the ship size, and expand over time.

Finally, and here is the big one...you may or may not noticed that planets do not rotate, stations do not orbit moons, moons do not orbit planets, and planets do not orbit suns. I get the same view in my 'home station' a day from now, a year from now, and 2 years from now!

I have heard some argue that it would be a coding nightmare...well perhaps. Perhaps the celestials can change position during downtime. BUT for gates and stations there are these areas in solar systems called LaGrange points, where the gravitational pull is neutral...certainly this RL mechanic could be used in some way in the game.

I feel that if the game is to evolve eventually celestial orbits will need to be addressed.

Now there is one other issue, and I would appreciate the input. But are the backdrops realistic? Perhaps there ARE areas of space where its just lit up like crazy! We've seen such pictures from the hubble telescope - perhaps this is more of an intellectual discussion rather than a proposal for CCP to change the backdrops in any way.

The static state of EVE is an old mechanic from a 2003 game. Things should move. Large object lightly at down time. Belts, except for 1.0 and maybe 0.9 space, should be discovered. That spot you saved for mining should expire. Logistics for PI shouldn't be static. Nor should trade routes. Extra long jumps shouldn't always be there, nor should extra short ones.

While I would like the realism of moving planets, I don't see the need. And even moreso, I really FEAR the implementation...

The thing I fear most, is my BM collection getting very messed up... I spent many, many, many hours creating bookmarks in regions of space I regularly visit, and I know a lot of other people that have too. I use bookmarks to safely move between gates, to rat in asteroid belts, to hide by POS's, for Jump Bridges, to dock, to undock, to safely collect PI, for safespots, for obnoxious safespots, for .... I could go on, but I have thousands of BM's (mostly in null) that I have spent a lot of time making, and they are something I use regularly. I'd be very unhappy if suddenly these all became worthless because someone thought it would be cool to rotate the planetary positions within the solar system.

eve is another universe/dimension n which space has the same properties as water.
Therefore, eventually, things stop spinning.

Ok, if I am following you correctly I think you mean that since all bookmarks are anchored relative to a station, moon, pos, etc, then it really makes no difference to gameplay after implementation. Yes I think those bookmarks can be saved. Its the ones that are out in the middle of nowhere that cannot (logically) last since they are relative to, well nothing. So safes far away from anything, they might get all jacked up for this.



It sure would hurt bots! However I can already hear the miners screaming bloody murder - plus all their cargo cans might get lost unless they are 'anchored to the field'.

The grid system wouldn't fare well with moving celestials.

Each grid or bubble near celestials, asteroid fields, and bases would have to move every day.

To be sure it would be a pretty interesting puzzle of trigonometry. A system would go in effect for each celestial object and bookmarks would have to be set on coordinates based on this.

For example, Amarr V, Moon 4 has a bookmark at 21.2 km from its origin at 123.29 by 184.6 degrees. So if moon 4 moves, the bookmark is still on vector(?) 123.29 by 184.6 degrees at 21.2 km.

Same would apply to undocks on stations etc. I would suspect that a 'safe' in the middle of nowhere would have to use the sun as a reference, unless perhaps specified differently by the player.

Maybe Interplanetary Navigation or anchoring should be a skill associated with bookmarking at some level. Earth bookmarked without being anchored would be correct only once a year!

you know what else is missing from eve? rogue planets and systems that are void of an active sun.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_planet

hard to find inrl but they are there... think i read somewhere that its estimated that there is 2 rogue planets for every star system we have in the galaxy. I'd love to see these planets and sunless systems added into EVE. it's been theorized that the best way to find such systems would be to send out drones that can reproduce themselves to continue the search en mass... basically shots in the dark, when they hit something they broadcast back through the drone chain it's coords. if added to eve, lore wise this could be the origin of rogue drones... deep dark space drone exploration, returning from the dark after eon's of searching.

there is no such thing as a 'local gravitational field'.

I dount the hamsters would mind.

I presume currently a bookmark is an absolute coordinate (3 numbers) and a reference system.

With localised bookmarks you would still have 3 numbers, and a reference celestial object. Its only when you need to use the book mark that the fact its a relative coordinate becomes relevent, and you have to add the relative coordinates of the nested orbital system

so for a book mark off station you might have;

absolute_location = location_planet + location_moon + location_station + location_bookmark

The problem arises because a book mark relative to a station moves between you hitting warp-to and actually getting there.... probably by around 1000 KM or so, you actually need to warp to the point that the station *will be*.

The good thing about this new system is that it would prevent station games. As soon as you undock the station would whiz off into the distance far faster than your frigate can fly :-)

tl;dr either it has no game play effect, or all of eves physics needs fixing.