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How many people would still play if PLEX was removed from the game

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unloadedx16
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#41 - 2012-09-16 02:27:05 UTC
Since I don't make at 300mill isk/hr using plex makes me feel like I'm working in eve for less than minimum wage.
Selinate
#42 - 2012-09-16 02:29:11 UTC
I'd still play. I pay monthly and have never dealt in plex other than margin trading, so I wouldn't really care.

If the servers became virtually empty, the game would just be more fun to me if there were 20k to 30k players left in Eve.
Ryhss
#43 - 2012-09-16 02:30:24 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
Ryhss wrote:
I wouldn't play if PLEX was removed.
Why because you might have to work for your isk instead of buying it? P

No, because with PLEX I play for free.

I just turned into an egg, did I level up? I spent an hour trying to salvage a wreck, when in local a guy said "Stop it, this is my Tempest, I was AFK"

Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#44 - 2012-09-16 02:45:53 UTC
One question, did EvE generate more or less subs with the introduction of Plex?

Some people want a game back that if it hadn't changed wouldn't exist.
Selinate
#45 - 2012-09-16 02:54:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Selinate
Nexus Day wrote:
One question, did EvE generate more or less subs with the introduction of Plex?

Some people want a game back that if it hadn't changed wouldn't exist.


Really this is an impossible question to answer.

Plex's serve two purposes to CCP and one to the game directly that I can think of.

A) Plex's provide a legal way to trade real currency for currency in game in order to prevent RMT illegally which causes account hacks, banning from the game, more rapid inflation since there will be more bots to produce isk for the RMT provider, etc. Ergo, it provides longevity to the game itself, and makes it slightly more popular.

B) It provides a nice little extra income for CCP. When plex are destroyed, the game time is destroyed along with it. In other words they make free money when this happens.
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#46 - 2012-09-16 02:56:53 UTC
Selinate wrote:
If the servers became virtually empty, the game would just be more fun to me if there were 20k to 30k players left in Eve.
What a thought, their would be no more mega alliances, no more power blocs, nobody would even bother with highsec because the concept of risk would become redundant, just vast expanses of empty systems for the few that are left to farm and build off of to their heart's content with no blobs and small gang pvp that would probably be similar to the stories we read about from the early years of EVE.

God I hope I'm still here then....
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2012-09-16 04:01:29 UTC
I pay by the year. I suck at Eve too much to make any meaningful isk out of it.


No, I'm not quitting and no,you can't have my stuff.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2012-09-16 04:48:57 UTC
the amount of eve accounts would drop pretty damn fast but I pay yearly.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#49 - 2012-09-16 06:18:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Mars Theran
Malka Badi'a wrote:
Doc Severide wrote:
I pay 5 accounts once a year. Cash only. I believe CCP should actually get paid for their hard work...


Alright, fish ****. Let's get something straight.

Buying a PLEX:$19.00 per month, or the standard special of $209.94 for 12 plexes.
Subscribing:$14.95 per month, or the standard special of $131.40 for 12 months.

The people who buy the PLEX from CCP give them $78.54 more per year than you ever will, which means that the people who buy those PLEX are making sure CCP get paid more for their hard work than your illogical butterlips ever could.

Citations:

  1. https://secure.eveonline.com/UpdateSubscriptionInterval.aspx
  2. https://secure.eveonline.com/PLEX/ (limited special running right now, still more expensive than a subscription)


..and yet they complain when PLEX prices go up on the in-game market and ruin the economy? Filthy beggars! ..besides, it's still the people who are paying that end up paying, and that includes the difference. So you still give them nothing, aside from forum rants about your personal sense of entitlement.

...Shocked


wait.. no.. okay, we are going to do this another way, as that is far to confrontational and possibly unfair. Lol


So, yeah the guy paying sub is paying sub, and less if he is doing it all in one go a year. The guy, (or girl), who is paying sub and buying PLEX to assist in-game activities along without needing to grind as much is paying a little more for the in-game activities than the guy who subs and grinds.

Then there is the guy that grinds, or rather, the one that buys PLEX to sub in game without really needed to put in that much effort in most cases to get the ISK, because they either scam it, pod it, or have access to all the natural resources of the game without much effort. Some of them actually work for it.

So we have:

The guy/girl paying a sub plays, grinds a bit, and pays.

The guy paying a sub and buying PLEX plays, pays, and pays more. He's the one that gets hit with all the additional cost of PLEX.

The guy PLEXing doesn't pay, but he grinds to one degree or another.

In the end, we have a game balance achieved between all three, that ultimately gives CCP the money it needs to continue and maintain d'eve'lopment. This also allows the EVE Shard to maintain players in higher numbers than it might otherwise, while providing us with a rich detailed environment--we may not always like--of players to share the experience with.

..what? Lol

What I am not sure whether to laugh at, dismiss, or feel bad about, is the poor guy grinding for PLEX to play the game, while smoking pot and not having the time of day to get a job or go out and make an effort. Is the grind really worth it? Maybe you should stop grinding for PLEX and go find a job, (not always as easy as it sounds I admit), while quitting your drug habits, (that surely make it harder to afford to get by for you), and come back when you are sober and a little more capable of taking care of your real self ffs.

..not that I'm unaware of how hard it can be to achieve all that sometimes, depending one where you are in the world and how bad the economy is. Ultimately however, the choice is yours and it is always a lot easier to achieve things when you are in a respectable fashion and taking care of yourself, and taking care of things. People see the difference and are much more likely to respect you for it and more willing to help make a difference for you.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#50 - 2012-09-16 06:29:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Ashera Yune wrote:


Let say all PLEX was wiped out and the owners would be given game time in replace.

In order to play again, you will like everyone else pay a subscription fee, just like WOW.


Well what if wOw started selling their own version of pLEX? Maybe they would get back the 3 million subs they lost over the past year? *wink* *wink* Lol


to answer your question, I pay by the year, so *shrugs*. My job isn't EVE.

I'm in it for the money

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Zanarkand
Primal Instinct Inc.
The Initiative.
#51 - 2012-09-16 06:36:50 UTC
100% quit.
Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#52 - 2012-09-16 07:10:13 UTC
I'd probably discontinue all but two of my characters. But that's about it. I'd still play.
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Doomheim
#53 - 2012-09-16 07:18:21 UTC
Evil Incarn8 wrote:
I would rejoice.

PLEX is a blight that brought many detrimental changes to EvE, its removal would be the first step to returning EvE to its former glory.



Lol, the game would die within months.
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#54 - 2012-09-16 07:32:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
Nah I don't think the game would die, if anything the lack of people might encourage a return to the game's roots and what made it a success in the first place.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Malka Badi'a
Suffoco Noctis
#55 - 2012-09-16 07:44:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Malka Badi'a
Mars Theran wrote:
-Uninformed opinion masked as a novel-


The cute thing here is that you assume that 500m ISK is a lot for most ISK-grinders to reach each month.

That's 16.6m ISK per day. Mission runners sneeze that in an hour, excluding LP and salvage. Wormhole pilots get that just for remembering their EVE password.

If 16.6m ISK per day is a difficult process for you to sustain, on top of cooking, cleaning, and having a job/family then perhaps you should reevaluate your choice to play a video game with your ******* forehead.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-09-16 09:30:07 UTC
Sugar Kyle wrote:
I pay my accounts by the year.


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Marcus Harikari
#57 - 2012-09-16 12:32:35 UTC
I would still play only if my drake got 10 missile hardpoints and shield recharge rate was 1.5x current. Otherwise, I'd move on to WoW.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#58 - 2012-09-16 12:40:54 UTC
Doc Severide wrote:
Sugar Kyle wrote:
I pay my accounts by the year.

Sugar you're so cute...


I pay 5 accounts once a year. Cash only. I believe CCP should actually get paid for their hard work...


do you think that nobody pays for the gametime you get from PLEX or something?

lol

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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#59 - 2012-09-16 13:18:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Quote:
Well what if wOw started selling their own version of pLEX? Maybe they would get back the 3 million subs they lost over the past year? *wink* *wink*


I haven't played wOw and i will not do it. I bought this game for real money, but since the first 2 months i pay in PLEX, because I can. It's my play style and a bit of luck here and there with loot. With today prices of PLEX i would do it probably in 3 or 4 months. Without PLEX I would't still play it, I think. I like GW2 model of selling game, and I like EVE model.
Doddy
Excidium.
#60 - 2012-09-16 13:41:31 UTC
Doc Severide wrote:
Sugar Kyle wrote:
I pay my accounts by the year.

Sugar you're so cute...


I pay 5 accounts once a year. Cash only. I believe CCP should actually get paid for their hard work...


So you provide them much (much) less money than someone who pays for 5 accounts by plex?