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Solution for too much isk in the eve economy

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kilmenow Hakaari
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-09-15 23:57:33 UTC
If anyone remebers the state of the eve economy presentation by the good doctor, one problem he brought forth is that there is too much isk flowing into the economy. I have a potential solution that might also help with the large blocks controlling most of null sec.

Sov bills are paid every 2 weeks on systems with tcu's turned on, the more systems you "own" the more you pay. What about the membership? What I propose is a fee issued by some NPC corp for some reason like administration fees (or whatever BS CCP decides). The size of the fee would be based on the number of members withing the alliance. Small alliances would hardly notice the charge, extrememly large alliances would have fees in the billions per week.



weekly fee schedule:


up to 10 members 10k isk
up to 100 members 100k isk
up to 1000 members 1 million isk
up to 2000 members 10 million isk
up to 3000 members 100 million isk
up to 4000 members 1 billion isk
up to 5000 members 10 billion isk
up to 6000 members 100 billion isk
up to 7000 members 1 trillion isk

and so on




I'm not sure of the numbers of alliances out there, but this should help reduce the isk in the economy from the entities that have, on average, the most isk.

This could be a conflict driver. I can see some mega alliances saving money by spliting into smaller parts. There might be some in fighting or battles between alliances that would open the door to fresh blood in null sec sov.

Just a thought. Let the discussion and trolling begin
DarkSim Market
Gangnam Style.
#2 - 2012-09-16 00:02:12 UTC  |  Edited by: DarkSim Market
This is literally the worst idea ever.

Also Anyone worth their socks would just form separate alliances of under 3000 players but keep the same leadership and everything else. Just the corps would be split up a little, is all.

EDIT: what am I even doing replying to a troll thread...
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#3 - 2012-09-16 00:03:25 UTC
The answer to the OP's proposal is "no". The problem isn't nullsec alliances with too much money, the problem is too much isk flowing into highsec.
Trendon Evenstar
Olympus Gods
#4 - 2012-09-16 00:06:33 UTC
I think we need some CCP Diagoras stats to tell us who has all the isk.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-09-16 00:13:38 UTC
this is the worst thing I ever seen.

make all normal implants come from LP stores no more story line implants, have low LP high isk and high LP low isk versions of the same implants
this means every implant destroyed is isk form the game lost.
also you could add a few isk to starbase charters in LP stores.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#6 - 2012-09-16 00:15:40 UTC
If the OP feels that there is too much ISK in the game he should failfit some ludicrously expensive ships with insanely expensive modules and try and get through Tama or Old Man Star with them intact.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-09-16 00:15:59 UTC
Trendon Evenstar wrote:
I think we need some CCP Diagoras stats to tell us who has all the isk.

WH's are the problem...

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.

kilmenow Hakaari
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-09-16 00:24:58 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Trendon Evenstar wrote:
I think we need some CCP Diagoras stats to tell us who has all the isk.

WH's are the problem...



The only isk creation in WH space is from the NPC "books" that drop. All the salvage is bought by other characters, so no isk creation.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#9 - 2012-09-16 00:25:28 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Trendon Evenstar wrote:
I think we need some CCP Diagoras stats to tell us who has all the isk.

WH's are the problem...


The first rule of WH's, you don't talk about WH's (unless you're in Chained Reactions in which case you're just bad at Eve .. they must be, they accepted my alts old corp Shocked)

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Noriko Mai
#10 - 2012-09-16 00:29:43 UTC
Why is everyone posting Ideas in GD? And why am I drunk again?

"Meh.." - Albert Einstein

Trendon Evenstar
Olympus Gods
#11 - 2012-09-16 00:49:55 UTC
It should be a comfort to everyone concerned about inflation that the benevolent space guild Goonswarm Federation in conjunction with the greater CFC and the Honeybadger Coalition has destroyed over 3600 ships to the tune of over 300b including many carriers and even a super carrier today.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/UMI-KK/kills

Anyone else wanna contribute?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#12 - 2012-09-16 00:51:39 UTC
kilmenow Hakaari wrote:
The only isk creation in WH space is from the NPC "books" that drop. All the salvage is bought by other characters, so no isk creation.
Actually, blue w-space loot is a pretty large source of ISK, equalling the net injection of mission and incursion rewards after the cost of LP stores has been deducted.

It may “only” be done in one way, but it's still a significant contributor.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#13 - 2012-09-16 00:52:52 UTC
Trendon Evenstar wrote:
It should be a comfort to everyone concerned about inflation that the benevolent space guild Goonswarm Federation in conjunction with the greater CFC and the Honeybadger Coalition has destroyed over 3600 ships to the tune of over 300b including many carriers and even a super carrier today.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/UMI-KK/kills

Anyone else wanna contribute?


I hope you told VR you were shooting blues? I wish I could have been there but as a pubbie I feel I wouldn't have made it further than the first null gate

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kilmenow Hakaari
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-09-16 00:54:21 UTC
Trendon Evenstar wrote:
It should be a comfort to everyone concerned about inflation that the benevolent space guild Goonswarm Federation in conjunction with the greater CFC and the Honeybadger Coalition has destroyed over 3600 ships to the tune of over 300b including many carriers and even a super carrier today.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/UMI-KK/kills

Anyone else wanna contribute?



that isk doesn't actually leave the economy, it just switched hands.
kilmenow Hakaari
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-09-16 00:56:06 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Trendon Evenstar wrote:
It should be a comfort to everyone concerned about inflation that the benevolent space guild Goonswarm Federation in conjunction with the greater CFC and the Honeybadger Coalition has destroyed over 3600 ships to the tune of over 300b including many carriers and even a super carrier today.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/UMI-KK/kills

Anyone else wanna contribute?


I hope you told VR you were shooting blues? I wish I could have been there but as a pubbie I feel I wouldn't have made it further than the first null gate



Do you live under a rock, VR was killed a few days ago. If that was a troll, not cool.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#16 - 2012-09-16 00:57:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
kilmenow Hakaari wrote:
Trendon Evenstar wrote:
It should be a comfort to everyone concerned about inflation that the benevolent space guild Goonswarm Federation in conjunction with the greater CFC and the Honeybadger Coalition has destroyed over 3600 ships to the tune of over 300b including many carriers and even a super carrier today.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/UMI-KK/kills

Anyone else wanna contribute?



that isk doesn't actually leave the economy, it just switched hands.


Only the value of the loot drop changes hands, when you factor in that insuring caps is probably impossible and insuring t3's against loss is a waste of time you can bet the rest of the ISK is gone.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Trendon Evenstar
Olympus Gods
#17 - 2012-09-16 00:58:44 UTC
kilmenow Hakaari wrote:
Trendon Evenstar wrote:
It should be a comfort to everyone concerned about inflation that the benevolent space guild Goonswarm Federation in conjunction with the greater CFC and the Honeybadger Coalition has destroyed over 3600 ships to the tune of over 300b including many carriers and even a super carrier today.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/UMI-KK/kills

Anyone else wanna contribute?



that isk doesn't actually leave the economy, it just switched hands.


So if I have a 200m smartbombing Scorpion and it gets destroyed, I get about 40m insurance. Let's say 10m in mods drop and someone scoops that up. Probably 5m or so in salvage. Where did the other 145m go?
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-09-16 00:58:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
I wish I could have been there but as a pubbie I feel I wouldn't have made it further than the first null gate
Yeah we're just a bunch of pound pubbies.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
kilmenow Hakaari
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-09-16 01:04:55 UTC
when you buy a ship, your paying isk for that asset. when that asset is destroyed, the isk you paid to the guy that sold you the ship, is still in his or her wallet. When you buy your replacement ship, that isk goes to whomever you paid for your new asset.

So the isk doesn't leave the eve economy.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#20 - 2012-09-16 01:06:29 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Only the value of the loot drop changes hands, when you factor in that insuring caps is probably impossible and insuring t3's against loss is a waste of time you can bet the rest of the ISK is gone.
No, the ISK also changed hands and is still around. It now sits in the wallets of those who gathered and sold the materials and/or built and sold the components.

The fact that they weren't insured only ensures that no ISK was lost in the process.

No ISK is ever removed through the destruction of ships — it is only added.
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