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EVE, Alcohol, and other substances

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Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#101 - 2012-09-14 16:13:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Muad 'dib
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Muad 'dib wrote:


DO NOT!...: pvp with a jug of real southern cider (the flat stuff that tastes like the offspring of; a great seasonal cider and copella pressed apple juice), before you know it you are singing on comms and getting podded 20 jumps from the gang you are meant to be with Lol

drunk and fly no, but a beer or two, glass of wine perhaps, very nice on a friday night.


That sounds like farmhouse scrumpy to me, you strain it through your teeth, it's non carbonated and dissolves anything that falls into the barrel during brewing.


that stuff is more like a long absinthe drink than a buy--buy-the-pint (or jug) beer/ale/cider

only its sweet tastes makes you think its not that strong, then you wake up with a hangover no isk, no ships and no clones.

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ctx2007
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#102 - 2012-09-14 16:19:03 UTC
Well Friday night = beer night with a flavour of EVE Big smile

You only realise you life has been a waste of time, when you wake up dead.

Niko la Tesla
Doomheim
#103 - 2012-09-14 17:01:35 UTC
I don't always drink while playing internet spaceships, but when I do, I puke on my keyboard.

Stay thirsty my friends.
G'rudge
Blood Coven One
#104 - 2012-09-14 17:08:52 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Muad 'dib wrote:


DO NOT!...: pvp with a jug of real southern cider (the flat stuff that tastes like the offspring of; a great seasonal cider and copella pressed apple juice), before you know it you are singing on comms and getting podded 20 jumps from the gang you are meant to be with Lol

drunk and fly no, but a beer or two, glass of wine perhaps, very nice on a friday night.


That sounds like farmhouse scrumpy to me, you strain it through your teeth, it's non carbonated and dissolves anything that falls into the barrel during brewing.


that stuff is more like a long absinthe drink than a buy--buy-the-pint (or jug) beer/ale/cider

only its sweet tastes makes you think its not that strong, then you wake up with a hangover no isk, no ships and no clones.


Absinthe -- now your talking. But not the cheap imitation stuff - you haven't lived till you've had the real deal.
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#105 - 2012-09-14 17:39:56 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
A good hypnotic is great for Eve too, you'll wake up 10 hours later and you'll be 50 jumps out into 0.0 with no memory of how you got there.
Hell, I do that *sober.*

Drunk, I just taunt nul-sec alliances in ships rather more expensive than is strictly prudent. Twisted

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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#106 - 2012-09-15 00:44:55 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Muad 'dib wrote:


DO NOT!...: pvp with a jug of real southern cider (the flat stuff that tastes like the offspring of; a great seasonal cider and copella pressed apple juice), before you know it you are singing on comms and getting podded 20 jumps from the gang you are meant to be with Lol

drunk and fly no, but a beer or two, glass of wine perhaps, very nice on a friday night.


That sounds like farmhouse scrumpy to me, you strain it through your teeth, it's non carbonated and dissolves anything that falls into the barrel during brewing.


that stuff is more like a long absinthe drink than a buy--buy-the-pint (or jug) beer/ale/cider

only its sweet tastes makes you think its not that strong, then you wake up with a hangover no isk, no ships and no clothes.


fixed that for you.. Smile
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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#107 - 2012-09-15 00:53:06 UTC
Thullus wrote:
Mars Theran wrote:
Doddy wrote:
You smoke which is a more harmful and more expensive habit than most recreational drug habits, so what exactly is your point.



Lets get back to the 'most' bit.

You do realize that inexpensive drugs, (not including cheap pharmaceuticals, legals like Rush, cough syrup, mouthwash, or rubbing alcohol to name a few), are the minority don't you?

I've never purchased or even looked at the price of purchasing anything serious, but I do know people sink their entire wallets, (there bi-weekly pay short of rent if they don't forget), into fun for a night or a weekend that leaves them penniless and often starving until the next payday.

Most 'serious' drug addicts share accommodations with others and work out how to afford the rent between them. Non-taxpaying migrant laborers, (fruit-pickers around here mostly), have a group that has a 4 off; 2 on mentality, meaning 2 guys work for a couple days then come back and blow their collective pay on drugs and alcohol, while another 2 go out and work for 2 days and come back and do the same.

The whole group spends and average of 60% of their time for the duration of the season drunk and wasted or somewhere between high and low without settling on sober for long. They save none of it--afaik--on average and end up working to get back home because they can barely afford gas, or hitch-hiking and begging for food along the way to wherever they originated from or wherever they happen to be going.

Quite often they make an average of $20-25 an hour 6-10 hours a day, for when they are working.



This is one of the odder things I've read on these forums. All the symptoms you're describing in this section are of addiction, and not necessarily drug addiction. And you're not wrong in what you say below about the potential dangers of doing some of the harder drugs but you also seem to actively ignore the fact that there are plenty of fully functioning occasional drug users who lead successful and fulfilling lives.

It's a very black and white way to look at the world and totally ignores all the grey in-between.


nah.. I'm just aware that grey often goes one way or another. A long slow side into serious addiction is easier than losing all dependency on the stuff whatsoever though I think. So I'm pretty sure most casual users end up being more than that eventually, especially as they often believe they are immune to addiction.

Fully functional is also a matter of perspective though, and I think that window is very small indeed if it actually is there. I've never been fully functional on anything drug or alcohol related. Not in my opinion.

As for weed and irregular heartbeats, its effects very person to person and it is possible one person may experience that effect where another would not or would not notice it. The thing is though, you never really know what's in the stuff, (unless you grew it yourself I suppose), and you have no idea what you are actually taking while calling it weed.


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fpshacker
Alpha Republic - Transcenders of Space and Time
Solyaris Chtonium
#108 - 2012-09-15 01:03:08 UTC
Ask anyone that was in GK inc. how awesome of a pvper I was when I did meth.

Once I went into esoteria on a tweak. I killed 2 mauraders, a t3, raven navy issue and some other scrub stuff.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#109 - 2012-09-15 01:22:55 UTC
Drew Kaps wrote:
Mars Theran wrote:
Drew Kaps wrote:
I'm a bartender, and I find that it's easier to play when I'm drunk. Hell, every thing is easier drunk. Took me two days to learn the basics of this game sober, took me a few minutes to accidentally discover a great load out for my Caracal. I wouldn't mind playing sober, but it's just so much fun after a drinks of the Sailor. I also smoke, but not weed or cigarettes. I smoke hookah. Does that make me a bad person?

Oh, and coffee. Lots and lots of coffee.


I never really understood Turkish Tobacco, but I've never tried it. There was a place in a city I lived in once that made a business of provided a place to sit and smoke various flavors of tobacco, (mango, and various other things), but I figured it wouldn't help me to try it and I imagine it was a bit pricy.

I suppose it might not be that bad, but the idea of smoking tobacco that way is a little unusual to me.


I enjoy it. There's nothing better than sitting down with the friends around a hookah and smoking and laughing together. A cigarette is for "solo flying," it's what you do to get a quick fix and move on with your day. But with a hookah, you can sit down with friends and enjoy each others company. The fact that it doesn't have tar or rat poison and is only straight tobacco with its natural level of nicotine (which is below 0.05% I believe) makes it that much more appealing.

EDIT: If you're trying it for the first time, I suggest either Peach, Melon and Mango (if you aren't into sweet flavors). If you want sweet, Pomegranate, Kiwi and Mint. Make sure you go easy on the Mint though. Also, make sure it's Al Fahker. People will tell you Starbuzz is better, but Al Fahker is the legit imported stuff and Starbuzz is grown here in America. Also, there's Tangiers flavor which is grown by a chemist that lives in San Diego, but that stuff is SO HARSH that I can't even smoke it even though I've been smoking hookah for almost eight years.


Actually that's kind of interesting, and I admit I was tempted for the reasons you mentioned, aside from the social ones as I didn't actually know anybody that smoked or did and would be tempted to try that at the time. Still don't actually, and I'm so far from Tobacco being social now that I think it would be an inversion of my way of thinking.

I actually avoid smoking in the house, (whether or not it's a condition of being there), and when I'm working, so my cigarette is actually something I have on the porch/deck, when I'm driving to and from with the window down, or on break. I don't like people seeing me smoke either, and especially not kids or teenagers, whom I try to avoid smoking in sight of if at all possible.

Really, it's just serving an addiction now, and contrary to an earlier post, I don't think I'd recognize a 'high' from it, except for that thing that almost never happens where you get a headrush that makes you basically blind for a sec and upsets your equilibrium. Best way I can describe it, and I think the last time that happened was when I went out in the morning for a cigarette over a year ago.

It's not a regular occurrence by any means. Once a year is unlikely I think. What I do get from it is the drop of anxiety and irritation that I feel when I go to long without one, or just a general destress and relax period that's more about sitting and looking at the world around, (currently green trees and some mountains, and haze from pollution unfortunately), than what someone might think is getting high.

I don't know how to make the association there. Is sometimes calm a high? I don't think so, but I suppose I'm not really being super technical about the effects of nicotine and all the other toxins on the Human mind when you are smoking. It's really not much different from how I usually feel except that I'm sitting outside instead of being in front of a PC, or just letting my back rest while feeling the comfortable pain of a board edge cutting into my muscles from the pressure of leaning against it.

Feed the addiction, stay sane, try to just keep doing the things you are doing like work, and maintain your equilibrium as best you can. Accept that it's not good and there is really something that you should do, but you have not the time or the place, or the means to do so. Work another day, smoke another day, and hope that one day you will have enough money, time, and resolve to take that time off that you need to actually quit the habit.

Of course, that means sitting on a beach in Borneo or someplace else, talking to strangers and shopping in strange places, and finding all sorts of other things to fill your day so you don't think of it.

Okay, maybe it just means having very tolerant people around you who you aren't going to be ashamed to see again after the experience of quitting or attempting to quit. Lock me up, put me in a rubber room, and let me suffer.

okay, maybe not that bad.

But bad enough I don't want to risk my livelihood or family relationships and friendships over it.
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Tech3ZH
Doomheim
#110 - 2012-09-15 10:39:51 UTC
Wait...so...hot drop o'clock isn't 4:20?...oh...






j/k, j/k - We're all better off not giving a place to alcohol or other substances in our lives, but should be careful not to condemn others about it. That's not gonna help anybody.



Hemmo Paskiainen
#111 - 2012-09-15 11:28:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Hemmo Paskiainen
Just quick scan your post but i gues i get what you are saying.

. It has something to do with the general play style of eve. Just hang around and chill. Its not rly imagnable that some ppl prefer some kind of substance to enhance the fleeling. A game like battlefield or cod isnt as good when your on substances. Its fun for like 1 or 2 hours but than your just burning out of fun on long term. In eve that isnt always the case.

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?

Sharon Eskolde
Madz Crusaders
#112 - 2012-09-15 14:49:48 UTC
Miner alt on one screen, PI on another, movie on the third, and a beer in front of me. Winding down on a weekday evening :P

Ganking: an essential part of everyone's EVE experience.

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#113 - 2012-09-15 18:30:23 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
As for weed and irregular heartbeats, its effects very person to person and it is possible one person may experience that effect where another would not or would not notice it. The thing is though, you never really know what's in the stuff, (unless you grew it yourself I suppose), and you have no idea what you are actually taking while calling it weed.

Uh... what?

The chances of your weed being tampered with is practically nil. And I'm not sure what you mean by the last sentence. Weed is pretty distinctive... unless you're a complete idiot or you have no experience at all you're never going to be handed a bag of some random plant and think it's weed when it isn't.

(Or you're buying extremely low quality weed, in which case I don't feel sorry for you getting ripped off)

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Raya Chandragupta
Observant Eye Inc
#114 - 2012-09-15 19:29:05 UTC
I usually drink some wine when I'm playing Eve. Most of the game is so horribly boring you need to be intoxicated to some degree to be able to stand it. Well, a glass of wine or two are generally a good thing. I don't do any other drugs. Gave up smoking and coffee. Don't take any pills unless I have a serious medical reason to take them. I loathe potheads and avoid them unless they are intelligent and mature enough not to behave like completely mushbrained assholes. Which is very rarely the case.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#115 - 2012-09-16 00:57:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Mars Theran
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Mars Theran wrote:
As for weed and irregular heartbeats, its effects very person to person and it is possible one person may experience that effect where another would not or would not notice it. The thing is though, you never really know what's in the stuff, (unless you grew it yourself I suppose), and you have no idea what you are actually taking while calling it weed.

Uh... what?

The chances of your weed being tampered with is practically nil. And I'm not sure what you mean by the last sentence. Weed is pretty distinctive... unless you're a complete idiot or you have no experience at all you're never going to be handed a bag of some random plant and think it's weed when it isn't.

(Or you're buying extremely low quality weed, in which case I don't feel sorry for you getting ripped off)


I'm not sure where you live, but around here the chance is somewhere between 80-100% Most likely 100% because it's produced that way. How do you think they come up with so many 'flavors'?

edit: speaking of handed some random plant and thinking it was weed; I had that happen at a border crossing, where the guard took it out of the trunk of my car and presented it to me with a question. I was detained for nearly 2 hours while they examined it, and I was pretty convinced I might see jail time and lose my car and everything in it. Turns out it was grass clippings.

About a week earlier, my girlfriend had lent my landlord the car to transport a lawn mower. Given she often used it when I was at work, and I knew she had lent it out on a few occasions, I really had no idea. Anything could have been transported in that car, and it sure looked like it might be weed.
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Rascal deJascal
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#116 - 2012-10-04 21:48:23 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Mars Theran wrote:
As for weed and irregular heartbeats, its effects very person to person and it is possible one person may experience that effect where another would not or would not notice it. The thing is though, you never really know what's in the stuff, (unless you grew it yourself I suppose), and you have no idea what you are actually taking while calling it weed.

Uh... what?

The chances of your weed being tampered with is practically nil. And I'm not sure what you mean by the last sentence. Weed is pretty distinctive... unless you're a complete idiot or you have no experience at all you're never going to be handed a bag of some random plant and think it's weed when it isn't.

(Or you're buying extremely low quality weed, in which case I don't feel sorry for you getting ripped off)


I'm not sure where you live, but around here the chance is somewhere between 80-100% Most likely 100% because it's produced that way. How do you think they come up with so many 'flavors'?

edit: speaking of handed some random plant and thinking it was weed; I had that happen at a border crossing, where the guard took it out of the trunk of my car and presented it to me with a question. I was detained for nearly 2 hours while they examined it, and I was pretty convinced I might see jail time and lose my car and everything in it. Turns out it was grass clippings.

About a week earlier, my girlfriend had lent my landlord the car to transport a lawn mower. Given she often used it when I was at work, and I knew she had lent it out on a few occasions, I really had no idea. Anything could have been transported in that car, and it sure looked like it might be weed.


You must be getting your information from 1960's episodes of Dragnet.

It is quite obvious that you have no real-life information about weed or smoking said item.