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The Magnificence
Aorte
#1 - 2012-09-14 15:57:18 UTC
Hi guys,

I recently got back my alt and I wanted him to try NullSec Exploration ( Null PVE in general ).
I'm looking for a ship that can actually do this safely, because I want to go in every nullsec ( and maybe so Low Sec PVE too ).
I heard that the Pilgrim was good at it, I looked for a fit and I found this :

[Pilgrim, Pilgrim: All in one Low-Sec exploration]

Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II

Cap Recharger II
Large Peroxide Capacitor Power Cell
10MN Afterburner II
Codebreaker I
Analyzer I

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager I
Sisters Core Probe Launcher

Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I


Hammerhead II
Hobgoblin II

I'm here to hear your advices and your opinion about it.
Magni o7
J'as Salarkin
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#2 - 2012-09-14 16:11:08 UTC
I would use this:

[Pilgrim, exploration null T2]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Armor EM Hardener II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Analyzer II
10MN Afterburner II
Large Capacitor Battery II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Codebreaker II

Salvager II
Civilian Gatling Pulse Laser, Civilian Pulse Crystal
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I


Upgrade to better stuff where you can afford/need to (some stuff really should be replaced with better stuf such as the repper).

Self-explanatory, exept perhaps the mircowarp drive. Use it to escape bubbles and be able to get from one container to the next one much faster than with an afterburner. You can replave the drone damage mode with a damage control if that makes you feel any better... You can run the repper, hardeners and afterburner for over 4 min with perfect skills.
Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
#3 - 2012-09-14 18:52:42 UTC
-slow
-brick
-anemic dps ( won't be able to break the tanks on any boss in null )
-fragile
+covops

You heard it wrong Lol

Seriously, Pilgrim is not for pve in general it can barely do lowsec sites ( in most cases it will die in flames few seconds after warping in ). Nullsec is out of question unless you want to limit yourself to profession sites ( not all of them ).

What will happen with your Pilgrim :

lowsec sites :
provisional outpost - ok ( will most like die in final part of expedition in some spaces )
outpost - ok
ded4 - depends on space
ded5 - instapop in final room
minor annex - dead
annex - instapop in second room
ded6 - dead/too weak dps for boss

nullsec :
base - ok
fortress - ok in site, dead in expedition
military complex - dead
staging point - dead
ded7 - dead and even if you somehow manage to not die you will not break the tank of the boss
ded8 - uhm.....dead?
ded10 - uhm.....lol?

If you want a decent non-T3 exploration ship for null/low then you will need to get Ishtar.
Pilgrim is mainly for pvp and profession sites.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-09-14 19:06:06 UTC
Tomcio FromFarAway wrote:
Pilgrim is mainly for pvp and profession sites.


Considering his fit had both a codebreaker and analyzer I'd say he was headed for profession sites...
Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
#5 - 2012-09-14 19:22:04 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:

Considering his fit had both a codebreaker and analyzer I'd say he was headed for profession sites...




The Magnificence wrote:
NullSec Exploration


The Magnificence wrote:

( Null PVE in general ).


The Magnificence wrote:

[Pilgrim, Pilgrim: All in one Low-Sec exploration]



You were saying?
Twisted
The Magnificence
Aorte
#6 - 2012-09-14 19:42:44 UTC
Can you give me a fit of an Ishtar for what I want to do please ?
Is staying in Low Sec better than going into Nullsec ?
Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
#7 - 2012-09-14 19:57:06 UTC
The Magnificence wrote:
Can you give me a fit of an Ishtar for what I want to do please ?
Is staying in Low Sec better than going into Nullsec ?


Where do you live (hi, low or null) ?
And in which space (Serpentis/Guristas/Blood/Sansha/Angel) ?
Melina Lin
Universal Frog
#8 - 2012-09-14 20:02:01 UTC
Pilgrim can be used as a Scout, Prober and complex tank but it needs help from a DPS ship in 0.0 and low sec. Solo it is limited to high-sec sites and low-sec mags/radars.

The thread linked has lots of info about the Ishtar:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=30338&find=unread
The Magnificence
Aorte
#9 - 2012-09-14 20:04:01 UTC
Where I live and in which region doesn't matter.
I know how to change my hardeners/ ... don't worry.
I don't even know where I'll try the exploration, I just want to try it.
So everything you can give to me, i take it
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#10 - 2012-09-14 20:10:33 UTC
The Magnificence wrote:
Where I live and in which region doesn't matter.
I know how to change my hardeners/ ... don't worry.


It actually does matter, and not just wrt hardeners. Different ships are simply more suited for different rats. Take the aforementioned Ishtar. It does fine in Guristas and Serpentis space and can manage low sec Blood and Sansha. It dies to Angels in low or null.

So yeah. More information gets more help.
Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
#11 - 2012-09-14 20:31:45 UTC
The Magnificence wrote:
Where I live and in which region doesn't matter.


Lol
What is it with people in this game. All seem to be so paranoid.
It's like they don't know about locator agents. Twisted

I asked about security level and type of rats, which was indicated in parenthesis. This is actually very important info without which I cannot help you.

Zhilia Mann wrote:

It actually does matter, and not just wrt hardeners. Different ships are simply more suited for different rats. Take the aforementioned Ishtar. It does fine in Guristas and Serpentis space and can manage low sec Blood and Sansha. It dies to Angels in low or null.

So yeah. More information gets more help.


^ This is precisely the reason why I asked. Hardners are the least of your worries. It's more about sites themselves.
Minor Annex in Serpentis space is totally different than the respective site in Blood space ( well it is somewhat similar but you must do those sites totally differently and some ships that can work great in one space will easily die here ). Also you will need to deal with different types of ewar (damps, jams, neuts, TPs, TDs) and it all matters.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#12 - 2012-09-14 21:32:19 UTC
Tomcio FromFarAway wrote:
Minor Annex in Serpentis space is totally different than the respective site in Blood space ( well it is somewhat similar but you must do those sites totally differently and some ships that can work great in one space will easily die here ).


*Shudder*. Blood Minor Annex.

Anyhow, if you just want to dip your feet in, grab an Ishtar and find a quiet area of Serpentis space, probably low sec to start though null would be alright. You probably don't want to be in Guristas space without deep space probes simply because of the level of competition. Serpentis won't pay out quite as well (discussion of relative payouts here) but will be good to get started and see if it's something you want to do.

Alternatively, you could take that Pilgrim out to any low sec space (again, I wouldn't recommend Guristas or Angels) and resign yourself to only running professional sites. You'd be passing on the big payouts, but it would at least give you a feel for what's out there.

Or, of course, get a Tengu.
The Magnificence
Aorte
#13 - 2012-09-14 21:33:13 UTC
Sorry, I may have been misunderstood.
I said that it doesn't matter because, I don't know where I'm going to try exploration.
If you say that the Ishtar is great in Guri space then I'll go to Guri with an Ishtar , ...
The Magnificence
Aorte
#14 - 2012-09-14 21:35:07 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Tomcio FromFarAway wrote:
Minor Annex in Serpentis space is totally different than the respective site in Blood space ( well it is somewhat similar but you must do those sites totally differently and some ships that can work great in one space will easily die here ).


*Shudder*. Blood Minor Annex.

Anyhow, if you just want to dip your feet in, grab an Ishtar and find a quiet area of Serpentis space, probably low sec to start though null would be alright. You probably don't want to be in Guristas space without deep space probes simply because of the level of competition. Serpentis won't pay out quite as well (discussion of relative payouts here) but will be good to get started and see if it's something you want to do.

Alternatively, you could take that Pilgrim out to any low sec space (again, I wouldn't recommend Guristas or Angels) and resign yourself to only running professional sites. You'd be passing on the big payouts, but it would at least give you a feel for what's out there.

Or, of course, get a Tengu.



If you got a Tengu fit, it's fine too but I would appreciate it if it's cloacky.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#15 - 2012-09-14 21:42:15 UTC
The Magnificence wrote:
If you got a Tengu fit, it's fine too but I would appreciate it if it's cloacky.


Several. Depends on which space you're in.

Oh, and solo Tengus are all cloaky, but they also carry a refit for the actual combat sites. The refits are not cloaky (or at least all lack a covops cloak).
Hakaimono
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-09-15 04:13:34 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
The Magnificence wrote:
If you got a Tengu fit, it's fine too but I would appreciate it if it's cloacky.


Several. Depends on which space you're in.

Oh, and solo Tengus are all cloaky, but they also carry a refit for the actual combat sites. The refits are not cloaky (or at least all lack a covops cloak).


So for traveling, fit the interdiction nullifier and covops. After site(s) is found, remove them and replace with combat subsystems?
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#17 - 2012-09-15 04:20:55 UTC
Hakaimono wrote:
So for traveling, fit the interdiction nullifier and covops. After site(s) is found, remove them and replace with combat subsystems?


Correct. Add your probing sub for the travel fit. Sometimes you'll want a different electronics sub for combat, though that depends on which T3 you're talking about.

Obviously this is easier to pull off in low and NPC null what with needing to dock and all that.
Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
#18 - 2012-09-15 08:29:55 UTC
For low/null Ishtar exploration check out this thread : Ninja Ishtar

Covops Tengu is not good for combat sites but if your really want one then you can use something like this :

[Tengu, CloakyPlexer]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Dread Guristas EM Ward Field
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Deep Space Scanner Probe I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Tengu Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer

Just remember that it is not effective as a lowsec complex runner and you can't really use it in null for combat sites.

I use this one in Serpentis/Guristas lowsec and it can do any site without problems. It works perfectly with an scanning alt.

[Tengu, Plexer]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Power Diagnostic System II

Corelum A-Type 10MN Afterburner
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Dread Guristas EM Ward Field

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Improved Cloaking Device II

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer

If you don't have scanning alt then you will need to switch fittings on Tengu like Zhilia said.
You can use covops Tengu for scanning and then switch to combat fit to run the sites.
If you want to use Tengu effectively then you really need to scanning alt.

Stick to lowsec if you can. Null isn't really much better in terms of loot ( quite often it is worse ) and it is much more complicated and time consuming. You won't be able to solo some of the sites even with the best ship.

Ishtar and Tengu can be used effectively in both Serpentis and Guristas space.
Marcus McTavish
Volcel Police
#19 - 2012-09-17 03:07:24 UTC
Tomcio FromFarAway wrote:
For low/null Ishtar exploration check out this thread : Ninja Ishtar

Covops Tengu is not good for combat sites but if your really want one then you can use something like this :

[Tengu, CloakyPlexer]

Just remember that it is not effective as a lowsec complex runner and you can't really use it in null for combat sites.

I use this one in Serpentis/Guristas lowsec and it can do any site without problems. It works perfectly with an scanning alt.

[Tengu, Plexer]

If you don't have scanning alt then you will need to switch fittings on Tengu like Zhilia said.
You can use covops Tengu for scanning and then switch to combat fit to run the sites.
If you want to use Tengu effectively then you really need to scanning alt.

Stick to lowsec if you can. Null isn't really much better in terms of loot ( quite often it is worse ) and it is much more complicated and time consuming. You won't be able to solo some of the sites even with the best ship.

Ishtar and Tengu can be used effectively in both Serpentis and Guristas space.


Use the second fit with a scout. You can use tech 2 and stuff instead of all the bling. Gistii or Pithii C or B type hardener works. If you are in Guristas space, use an ECCM too if you can.

Lowsec, at-least Caldari, is really good for DED loot, not so sure about the others. Nullsec is golden if you either go for the Mag sites, which are awesome, or run some DEDs.

And for the record, Nullsec is pretty vacant, there are not too many people around. Bring a Utility Pilgrim and Tengu with a cloak. You can go through a lot of space and just cherry-pick the mags. That blue salvage is worth a sh**load.

Also what works great, is a Gila.