Science & Industry

Remote Sensing and Advance Planetology are skills to help

You do understand the concept of games right?

actually, after seeing a HUGE difference on the amount of minerals available on a lava planet in our wh, i ran a test by skilling up a second acc to Adv. planetology 3.

Instead of adding 7 links, will just add the album
Planetology Effects on resource

The slideshow starts from Adv. Planetology 3 and ends with 0 planetology.

Without the skills, the planet was a complete write off on first glance. Since then, has been in constant use for producing Miniature Electroncis with a 3-4 day cycle.

I'd agree. The gameplay element where you have to test, re-adjust, re-test, re-adjust ad nauseum your extractors to get the numbers you want ..._is_... extremely annoying and cumbersome.
I would rather they base the skills as a function of the extraction rate than giving fuzzy numbers when installing the program ... or alternatively introduce some flow control mechanism into the PI infrastructure.

I run P2 production on a single planet, with buffered outputs (BOTH P0 and P1 materials). Maintaining the balance for the amount of P0 extracted is critical since I don't religiously log on to re-start the extractor for a continuous output. Now the whole system is fine an dandy if you don't miss a beat, but when you do, you will get an imbalance if the extracted P0 amount differs by a wide margin. When an imbalance happens, I end up getting too much of a particular P1 output ... and fixing this becomes a pain. So, for this scenario you'll find myself spending an inordinate amount of time installing a program then cancelling it (multiple times) because the numbers don't meet what I needed - just to make sure the P0 extraction is balanced. This silly workaround gets old .. fast.

The alternative simple and dirty way to solve the above is to unbuffer the P1 output and route it straight to the P2 factory. Any extra P1 produced just disappears if the system goes out of balance .... but should I be happy losing isk?

Sigh.

Go sit in a corner then.

I also posted the results (and pictures) in this thread and they were very much accurate to the dot. The cycle output/times started to match at Adv. planetology 2 already. Only a 5% deviation from the 'visible' information given by eve after looking how much was extracted during a full 4 day cycle.


Seriously... why does everyone cry over this issue when they clearly do not have the skills needed to see the realish numbers. With 0 planetology and being far away from the planet, the estimate is bound to be off a bit.




As a comparison...

Not having Adv. Planetology at least to 3 is like complaining that drone damage is utter crap without having any skills in drone interfacing.

No. No. No. You are not proving anything with your screenshot other than planetology does exactly what it says on the tin... and its still a crappy planet.

The issue is stated value of per hour p0 WHILE SURVEYING is grossly overstated. Instructions to replicate issue:

Stop extractor program > set up extractor program > view average production per hour
Start extractor program > click the extractor again > view the average production per hour

The second number is always smaller. Go get some screenshots of those two numbers being the same and I'll sit in the corner.

Seriously do people still not have any idea what the Planetology skills do?

Here is the exact description for the planetology skill:



The skill gives you more accurate scans for resources on planets. Meaning the data (colors) you see are more accurate the higher level of skill training you have.

The higher the skill the less deviation there is on the data (coloring) to where the auctual minerals are. The lower the skill the less accurate the colors displayed are.



Here is an example of what these skills do, and what you are experiencing.

Planet scan deviation

Image one is adv planetelogy 3. Image two is with adv planetlogy 4. As you can see even with skill 3 the data (colors) is pretty accurate but there is STILL a descent amount of deviation with the data (colors). Placing extractor heads on the brightest spots with skill level 3 would still be farily accurate, but with a higher level skill you get more exact readings on where the materials are. With the skills YOU have you are able to determine the best positioning based on YOUR skills.

You do not have perfect planetlogy skills, why would you expect perfect results?

The colors are the way you can tell how much resources are at the place. If you do not know where the minerals are, you will not get an accurate quote. Stop raving, start training.

Simple.

Thank you for your testing work, but I must agree with the OP.

I have had 3+ accounts (nearly max skills) running PI operations across several regions of space and sec statuses since it was introduced over two years ago and my long-term observations are that, nearly 100% of the time, the true rate of return is always less than the game-generated estimate when setting up my extractors for a new cycle.

From a practical standpoint. it is necessary to always shoot high and go for a shorter extraction cycle or additional extractors that yield more P0 materials than are required for P1 processing over a given period of time.

It's less about gradient, more about senseless clicking to get the numbers right (or close to it). The gradient itself is a non-issue. A white spot + low planetology skills vs white spot + high platenology skill will have different extracted amount. In other words, the white spot concentration value differs depending on your planetology skill. That's easy to understand and I have no issue with it.

Picture this. When you click "Install program" it queries the planet and then comes up with a new figure. That new figure (afaik) is the guaranteed amount of P0 that will be extracted under the period.
Now imagine that figure doesn't match what I need. I have to "Stop Program", move the extractors for a new estimate and redo the whole thing again until I get it right. This typically takes on average, 2-3 tries per planet. The final thing is to hit "Submit". This design has similarities with T2 Invention clickfest.

The deviation between estimated P0 and guaranteed P0 can vary from as little at 0.6% to 10% (from a single case). That's more than enough to unbalance the whole PI chain over a long period of time. CCP has not implemented any sort of flow control mechanism nor ways to interact with the P0 once it enters the system. You cannot manually destroy or jettison the P0/P1 materials and accumulation will lead to storage issues. You can however, indirectly lose P0 when the storage maxes over.

You see, if the estimated P0 amount is accurate this thread won't exist. I'm more than happy to move my extractors around until it gives me the right number, then I click Install and then Submit.
Done. Simple.