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New Attack Executioner - NICE
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#21 - 2012-09-05 17:50:52 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
I prefer this fit:


[Executioner, Kite]
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script

Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
[empty high slot]

Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
Small Energy Burst Aerator I
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I


I dunno, I feel that Med Pulse without an optimal bonus pulls you in too close for comfort with an MWD. It's far too easy for someone to land a scram and then you're basically jacked. The fit probably works fine vs AB fit/slow AFs but it'll die pretty hard to the first thing with an MWD and scram. The Taranis and Atron come to mind specifically.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#22 - 2012-09-05 20:22:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Vilnius Zar
It has a higher speed and better align time than a generic fit Taranis, so if you do it right it should be fine. Besides, by the time the Taranis manages to pull of the standard trick (IF) he'll be so low on EHP he'd probably die anyway. Would he get the drop on the executioner that would be different ofcourse, but that's always be the case.

Thing is that it's indeed hilarious to use against some solo AF, assuming it's not a jag or wolf :P
Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#23 - 2012-09-12 12:12:12 UTC
The VC's wrote:
I prefer some forum anonymity so no KM's but I can say that I'm having a lot of fun in this little pest.


[Executioner, Moar Heetz]

Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Tracking Enhancer II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
[Empty Med slot]
Fleeting Warp Disruptor I

Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
[Empty High slot]
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S

Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I


Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I

159 dps @15.9km. A +5 Sharpshooter for 40 mill isk bumps you up to 16.7 km.
5323 m/s OH, 3.85 align.

Just under 9 mill isk. Cant complain :)


The extra heat is useful when you're chasing something down. It's handy on the point too. It's a hard frig to shake off.


Flying a Slicer's pretty dull for me now. This is a bit more on the edge. The Executioner is an awesome boat now.


I tried this fit last night on pvp with a corp mate, who was in a merlin, and quite frankly this fit is crap. It has no tank at all. The executioner has about 380 shields, about the same armor, so a couple of hits and you are pretty much dead. I guess it would only work if the opponent was a close range brawler, but my corp mate had a railgun fit, and you never know what you will come across in pvp.

Exploration is Random. Random is Random... or is it?! http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html
The VC's
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-09-12 20:04:36 UTC  |  Edited by: The VC's
Yes, a railgun fit merlin would be a bad target choice.

Not impossible though. Tbh I do have mostly maxed out gunnery and maxed nav skills with a +5 sharpshooter. My shields come out at 439, armour at 649 and I never get closer than 15km.

Before the new Executioner came out my favorite cheap ship was the mwd kite punisher. It was good training. It's not really viable anymore, now that the cap bonus has gone. Besides, the Executioner does it better.

Switching to 'look at' quickly as your fight begins gives you a good idea if it's worth continuing. If you have the time, checking their klllboard beforehand gives you a good idea if it's worth starting.
Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#25 - 2012-09-13 07:37:21 UTC
Yea looking at target first is a good tip.

I'm wondering what to change it to now, I guess a brawly multispectral pulse boat with active tank isn't going to be much good, may as well change to a puni or something.

Also I still get way more dps on a slicer than the executioner, even with the executioner's extra laser slot (I only seemed to get out 108 odd dps out of the executioner with scorch but I can get about 120 odd out of a slicer.)

Exploration is Random. Random is Random... or is it?! http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html
The VC's
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-09-13 08:11:21 UTC  |  Edited by: The VC's
In a game of rock, scissors, paper it's all about picking your battles Blink

The thing about the Slicer is that, with it's damage bonuses you effectively have 4.5 weapon slots compared to the Executioner's 3.75. It definitely hits harder. Fully fitted though it IS about five times more expensive right now.

For a brawler Executioner maybe fit DLP's, good web, AB 2, plate and repper. Plan on fighting around 8km with Scorch if they are close range fit. Your repper will handle the incoming damage at that range as they'll be in falloff.

If it's your mate's railgun Merlin or similar again, get in close and switch to INMF. You'll take some damage on the way but you can rep yourself back up once you are under his guns. You won't rep sustained full damage from anything. Your plan should be to put yourself in a position where incoming DPS is reduced to managable levels.

Instant ammo swap FTW!
Korg Tronix
Mole Station Nursery
#27 - 2012-09-13 11:02:09 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
It has a higher speed and better align time than a generic fit Taranis, so if you do it right it should be fine. Besides, by the time the Taranis manages to pull of the standard trick (IF) he'll be so low on EHP he'd probably die anyway. Would he get the drop on the executioner that would be different ofcourse, but that's always be the case.

Thing is that it's indeed hilarious to use against some solo AF, assuming it's not a jag or wolf :P


Possibly but it would have to be very late in the game for the Taranis when he catches you, even if he is in half structure when he catches you, you will melt faster than him.

Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams]
Robert Lefcourt
BigPoppaMonkeys
E.B.O.L.A.
#28 - 2012-09-13 11:17:35 UTC
DerArt1st wrote:
Yeah, new executioner is okay:

proof



You the man. Must have been awfully quiet in local after the rokh fell ;-)


regards,

rob
Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#29 - 2012-09-13 12:08:48 UTC
The VC's wrote:
In a game of rock, scissors, paper it's all about picking your battles Blink

The thing about the Slicer is that, with it's damage bonuses you effectively have 4.5 weapon slots compared to the Executioner's 3.75. It definitely hits harder. Fully fitted though it IS about five times more expensive right now.

For a brawler Executioner maybe fit DLP's, good web, AB 2, plate and repper. Plan on fighting around 8km with Scorch if they are close range fit. Your repper will handle the incoming damage at that range as they'll be in falloff.

If it's your mate's railgun Merlin or similar again, get in close and switch to INMF. You'll take some damage on the way but you can rep yourself back up once you are under his guns. You won't rep sustained full damage from anything. Your plan should be to put yourself in a position where incoming DPS is reduced to managable levels.

Instant ammo swap FTW!


Aye, but if I get in close, he will just switch to hail ammo :P I think I would melt under that dps. What does INMF mean?

Exploration is Random. Random is Random... or is it?! http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html
The VC's
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-09-13 13:43:40 UTC  |  Edited by: The VC's
INMF = Imperial Navy Multifrequency


Hail?

That's short range T2 Autocannon ammo with a 0.7 tracking modifier and a ten second reload. I suspect you mean Javelin. It does have a 1.25 tracking modifier but won't improve railgun's tracking enough to beat yours.

I do however, add an explosive armour rig to that fit to ward against autocannon users. I would be a little bit cagey about engaging as AC's can do a good tracking/falloff combo with Barrage. If I can take the damage at 8km I'll stay there. If not I'll bug out.

If it's a Slasher with a tracking disruptor I'd definitely pick another battle, if I'm able to by then. Annoying pests.


ps. As with all the attack frigs, they take some flying. They don't have the tank to forgive many mistakes, but they do have the speed to control the engagement somewhat.

Know your enemy.
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