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Petition for system name change for Vile Rat

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2012-09-12 16:34:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
I feel bad now for never ever having actually heard about him ...

... but it was his name ... and that's part of what he'll be remembered with.
Changing that makes no sense ...
Random McNally
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A Band Apart.
#42 - 2012-09-12 16:39:51 UTC
I would support and in game monument (although the VR-RIP system change would be awesome).

Is it possible that the in game monument could possess the names of mains that have passed? Not only would it be a tribute to VR, but a tribute to all the other people who have been capsuleers and passed on.

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Cede Forster
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-09-12 16:40:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Cede Forster
i support this, if somebody is so damn concerned to set a precedent in the light of this, so be it a precedent

sounds like a good precedent to me, lets do it and deal with the precedent it sets when it comes to it
Wilhelm Riley
Doomheim
#44 - 2012-09-12 16:42:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Wilhelm Riley
Not being confrontational here but what about the hundreds of other pilots who have lost their lives to some tragedy? It wouldn't be proper to honour the memory of one and not the rest. And to say Vile Rats achievements make him worthy of it, that's subjective, I didn't know him so I can't judge, though.

That said, I wouldn't disagree to a statue in orbit of a planet or something, just not renaming a system.

Also, if EVE-Cemetery is still running I'd suggest everyone donate the corpses of Vile Rat to it.. if there are any corpses.

Edit:
Random McNally wrote:


Is it possible that the in game monument could possess the names of mains that have passed? Not only would it be a tribute to VR, but a tribute to all the other people who have been capsuleers and passed on.

That seems like a fair proposal.
Cede Forster
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#45 - 2012-09-12 16:44:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Cede Forster
Wilhelm Riley wrote:
Not being confrontational here but what about the hundreds of other pilots who have lost their lives to some tragedy? It wouldn't be proper to honour the memory of one and not the rest. And to say Vile Rats achievements make him worthy of it, that's subjective, I didn't know him so I can't judge, though.

That said, I wouldn't disagree to a statue in orbit of a planet or something, just not renaming a system.

Also, if EVE-Cemetery is still running I'd suggest everyone donate the corpses of Vile Rat to it.. if there are any corpses.


then go ahead and step up for them then
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2012-09-12 16:44:34 UTC
Hendrick Tallardar wrote:
Skippermonkey wrote:
a permanent monument in whatever system his toon is in right now would be fitting


This is the most fitting than naming a whole system (which given the response from people isn't want they want).

Perhaps take a look at his current ship & fittings, and make a statue/monument for it with his in-game name and a brief "why he means something" for players who do not know of his role in the EVE universe.

That would be the most fitting in my opinion.

I agree.

The problem I have with naming a system after someone, anyone, is that there's a finite number of systems in the game. If a "memorial" precedent of system naming began, and people continue being mortal, it would put CCP in the odious business of having to decide which deceased players were worth commemorating, and which ones are not. People might take those kind of decisions personally to say the least.

However unlike the number of systems, the amount of actual space in EVE is effectively infinite. Putting aside a piece of space/monument for Vile Rat's memory, considering the huge outpouring for his passing, is certainly within reason and the idea of similar memorials for other players in the future opens no cans of worms. In fact, I'd welcome it.

Deepest condolances to to Vile Rat's family and best wishes to anyone grieving at this time.
Wilhelm Riley
Doomheim
#47 - 2012-09-12 16:47:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Wilhelm Riley
Cede Forster wrote:
then go ahead and step up for them instead complaining that people do here


I'm not complaining and don't turn this into an argument, please.

Read Nicolo da'Vicenza's post (#48, right above this one), he sums it up better than I did.
Soulpirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#48 - 2012-09-12 16:50:43 UTC
No to system renaming. This is a game we play to escape our daily routines, we dont need such reminders af the crappy real world while playing. Monument, sure, but get ready to have one erected for every EVE player that dies and has died and a **** storm of opinions on which death is worthy of recognition.

Remember him and feel for his family, but please don't start dragging that ****** world into the EVE world.
Marcus Trial
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-09-12 16:52:16 UTC
If naming systems/stations after him or creating a monument for him are considered "over the top", why not put his name into the description of one of the soon-to-come new destroyers?

Similar to the description of the rattlesnake: "Origin of the ships design patterns remain unknown, though several rumors indicate a strong influence by notorious nullsec dweller 'Vile Rat'."
Raxip Elamp
Blacklight Independents
#50 - 2012-09-12 16:52:52 UTC
./signed.

RIP VR.
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#51 - 2012-09-12 16:54:24 UTC
I won't say no, I like how you formatted it.

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Tyraeil Starblade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2012-09-12 16:54:27 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Rashmika Clavain wrote:


Who are we [collectively] to decide who is more valuable than another? :shrug:



We are human beings, and we make value judgements all day long.

I didn't know either of you personally, but I'd vote VR was more valuable than you.


And it's thinking like this that leads to senseless violence in the first place....

Oh the irony.
stoicfaux
#53 - 2012-09-12 16:56:53 UTC
Sephira Galamore wrote:
Remember the Teskanen Station Memorial Library from Clear Skies 3...? How about something similar, if possible..

For example, a dedicated place in space, with a main structure and one small nearby structure for every capsuleer, for every player that we know has passed away, similar to those multi-part sleeper buildings.
Each individual structure would bear the name of the deceased and the info would allow for a few lines about who he was to the community and those that called him friend.

Or just a permanent memorial can (obviously something nicer than a can) in the Eve Gate system. Have the memorial cemetery accessible via an acceleration gate to avoid cluttering (and confusing) newbie visitors to the Eve gate.

Purchase of a memorial can would require a petition to help avoid abuse/fraud.


Perma-banning any jackass who PvPs in the Eve Gate Memorial dead space pocket is an option, but this is Eve so I don't know.


Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Infinite Force
#54 - 2012-09-12 16:57:39 UTC
What a tragedy.

RIP VR!

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ARMTEL
VAT Holdings Ltd
#55 - 2012-09-12 17:13:45 UTC  |  Edited by: ARMTEL
Lots of good points for and against this idea and I can see the reasons for those.

I liked the idea of VR-RIP because new players to the game this would mean nothing to them as its just another seemingly random named system.

OFC I realize there are many players in this game who have done much more than the average player who would be equally deserving of such a tribute but would 0.0 become overrun with such systems if they were all given a system name?

Eve will not last forever no matter how much we would wish it, so I dont see this becoming a problem even if a precedent is set for those deserving who do pass away.

I myself was not fortunate enough to know Vile in RL or in game but was on the receiving end of some of the things he did in the LV days Big smile

I hope CCP do do something for those who put so much into the game, be it this or something else
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#56 - 2012-09-12 17:14:26 UTC
Already has been said, so i will just add to the opinions agaisnt it as it would set a precedent. It would be sad to split players between those who go in a blaze of glory and get their own personal ingame memento, and those who don't.

I would understand though if the Goons chose to celebrate VR's life with a player owned structure in their territory... but CCP should stay clear for prudence.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2012-09-12 18:04:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Random McNally wrote:
I would support and in game monument (although the VR-RIP system change would be awesome).

Is it possible that the in game monument could possess the names of mains that have passed? Not only would it be a tribute to VR, but a tribute to all the other people who have been capsuleers and passed on.

This is actually a fantastic idea. This nullifies the "what about all the other people that died?" argument. Could even go so far as creating an all new system with its own name used specifically for this. On that is a no combat zone. No mining, no fighting. Just reverence in rememberance of our fallen pod pilots throughout the years.

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Kari Juptris
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#58 - 2012-09-12 18:07:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Kari Juptris
What if there was a generalized monument to all EVE players who have passed on located somewhere in space that cannot be claimed, such as New Eden or somewhere in hisec? The problem with putting a memorial in nullsec is that the people to whom it would mean the most would lose access to it if they were to lose their space.

A message about it being a memorial who have passed through the 'celestial womb' (referencing the original EVE intro video) or just something suitably cryptic would be great.

A generalized monument lets it be for players who have passed on in the past, present, and those yet to pass, and it being in hisec or somewhere else relatively safe allows it to be accessed by all who would like to view it.

edit: A system named VR-RIP would be pretty amazing too. Nobody can deny that Vile Rat's diplomatic skills had a staggering effect on EVE. Without him, nullsec would be a very different place right now.
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#59 - 2012-09-12 18:13:23 UTC
Ahhh the human animal. Of course a situation has to bring out the worst in people fighting and bickering about why some ideas have merit and some don't and who is more important in EVE than others. If I die in RL and you find out, please just say "so what" and go back to playing...
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2012-09-12 18:13:54 UTC
I fullheartedly support the idea of an ingame monument placed in some peaceful system.

Please make the Info tab tell the tale of the person.