Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Poor Exequror,

i like his cargo bonus quite a lot, use him as fast transport / light Industrial also as salvage boat and for my pi.
In future, this will be history

*tears*

Funny you will not need logistic skill for that .So you will be able to make cheep logi T1 alt and be so good "solo" pvp player.

Why are some of them faster then their T2 variation?

Goddamn, these changes just keep getting worse and worse.

Whats next, giving blackbirds an extra mid and shield resist bonus? web strength on rapiers?

with Legion, it's 315 per second with an Exequor with t2 Medium Mods.

with Legion, its 394 per sec with 3 large T2 (much more unlikely than solace) for an Oneiros.

With Solace, it drops down to 355. Not nearly as large of a gap for the massive cost difference. Not to mention the encouragement to horde t1 variants in large numbers over t2 due to cost causing drastic increase in reshipping and a major logistics wall.

T1 version also does not require Logistics training, and relies instead only on lvl 5 cruiser for the cap bonus, which lets face it, most people are much more willing to train.

Massive downgrade to barriers for entry and resupply, and T1 variants can easily be built in mass on location rather than shipped from empire.

Also causes a massive reduction in cost to T1 fleets of any sort because of the reliance on T1 cost ships rather than T2 cost ships. So every T1 BC fleet just got a massive cost advantage over any T2 fleet as logistics always were the one negative cost.

Whole idea completely destroys the Ideas of Scarcity and specialized training. It promotes more shitting on players for flying anything expensive, and destroys economic principals in an economy that already suffers greatly from poor economic pressures.

Again, it pushes the game away from scarcity of wealth and the pressure of surviving and makes it easy mode for any player to just not give a ****. Reduces 0.0 to nothing but pure morale and size warfare and removes further the financial attacks on alliances.

The disparity between t1 and T2 needs to be much greater as the original logistics cruiser has always been balanced around it's specific role.

Like I said, an exequror with that setup is way to ******* powerful.

with Legion, it's 315 per second with an Exequor with t2 Medium Mods.

with Legion, its 394 per sec with 3 large T2 (much more unlikely than solace) for an Oneiros.
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I did read all of it but this is what stuck out the most
You are basing your stats with all 3 medium reps and a off grid t3 booster for the exequror and com pairing it to 3 large reps despite the oneiros being able to use 4 remote reps which spreads the gap quite a bit, especially with a off grid booster. Or we you thinking about a energy transfer for the oneiros? If so then why would the exequror not use an energy transfer as well? That would make them comparable ships again. Point being their is still a big difference between the ships.

So then why do you thing the exequror will be any different?
Also there are more areas in the game than 0.0 not everything has to be based around it, but everywhere as a whole

I'm going to chalk this comment up to inexperience. There are 3 standard fits for an oneiros:

3 rep MWD
3 rep AB
4 rep empire gank

The only time a 4 rep setup is ever used is for empire short duration small fights because it's super hard to make it cap stable and fit for tank.

In most common use, the Oneiros only ever fits 3 reps because it's the best fittings option.

The 3 rep fit as I showed before is only marginally better than the 3 medium rep Exeq. But when you consider general gaming strategy, there is an obvious reason why the masses of players would chose one ship over another. In this case, I spelled it out above.

It's a horrible implementation of an idea when you devalue any reason why players would chose the "superior ship" when that ship gets marginalized so much. This is especially true for dedicated logistics pilots who can look at 2 options, a 220 mil ship+ fit or a 25 mil ship + fit that's only slightly worse and far less skill intensive.

The other 3 races are much more in balance than the Exeq because they are much tighter on fittings and limited in their ability to maximize full utility. The Exeq as proposed does not have the limitations of the other 3. It's vastly superior and OP as **** for what it is, a t1 cruiser.

I hate everything.

4 rep AB Onieros are not as uncommon as above poster would lead you to believe. Still cap stable ;)