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Deminision

Voidlords

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#1 - 2012-09-11 07:26:25 UTC | Edited by: Deminision

The moros is way out of line with ALL the other dreads as of now, it not only tracks ALOT better does double damage from the other and tanks just as well. Dont believe me? Lets look at numbers.

Moros with a standard blasterfit // Can hit a curse in a 500m orbit at 50ms because of crazy tracking
does roughly 16k dps - 2m ehp

Rev // pulse fit
Roughly 8k dps 2.2m ehp

Naglfar // auto's and torps
10k dps 1.9m ehp

Phoenix // torps
9k dps 1.9m ehp

Time to put the moros back in line with the other dreads? It not only does double damage it tanks the same and hits everything better than all of the above.

DISCUSS!

Alphaphi

KASK Heavy logistics

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#2 - 2012-09-11 07:43:47 UTC

Deminision wrote:

naglfar have always been the worst because of the missiles and cross-weapon training.

the revelation are the best for POS/structure bashes because they never run out of ammo.

the phoenix have the highest alpha of them all (but citadel torps/missiles can't hit crap) and are only good for pos bashes because..... citadel missilse.

the moros is far superior in taking down other capital ships though.

TL;DR
the revelation and moros have each their own role, while the other two are terribad.

Jack Miton

School of Applied Knowledge

Caldari State

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#3 - 2012-09-11 08:29:19 UTC | Edited by: Jack Miton

stop **** fitting your rev.
does 10k dps easy.

i do agree that the moros is out of line with the other dreads at the moment but you still need a mix of dreads in a fleet fight since if you only bring moros dreads, it is very easy for your enemy to use specific hardeners to tank your damage on their caps.

IMO these are some things that need to be done to balance out the dreads:

Moros: leave as is
Revelation: 10% increase to DPS and tracking
Naglfar: change to 3 turret system, 10% damage increase (to turrets).
Phoenix: make explosion radius irrelevant against capitals so that you do full damage to carriers/dreads that are moving, 5% damage increase.

IMO these would go a long way to fixing the issues with dreads and balancing them out.
It leaves the moros in the lead DPS wise but closes the gap somewhat and the other dreads do have other benefits that the moros doesnt, such as capless firing, range, slot layout ect.

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Veryez

Hidden Agenda

Deep Space Engineering

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#4 - 2012-09-11 08:41:48 UTC

Jack Miton wrote:

CCP PLEASE READ THIS!!!!!!

Tru Love

Brutor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

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#5 - 2012-09-11 08:45:34 UTC

Jack Miton wrote:

not empty quoting

Jack Miton

School of Applied Knowledge

Caldari State

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#6 - 2012-09-11 08:48:22 UTC | Edited by: Jack Miton

As a note, your DPS numbers are way off.
Actual numbers with meta guns, faction ammo and 3 faction damage mods (no DPS rig, no implants):

Moros: 14.19k
Revelation: 10.32k
Naglfar: 11.52k (3 gyros, 2 BCSs)
Phoenix: 10.61k

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Denuo Secus

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#7 - 2012-09-11 09:34:14 UTC | Edited by: Denuo Secus

Deminision wrote:

...Moros with a standard blasterfit // Can hit a curse in a 500m orbit at 50ms because of crazy tracking
...

Please enlighten me how this should work. I EFT graphed it and got different results. A sieged Moros fitted with 3 navy MFSs, 2 TCs (tracking script) and best named blasters using navy antimatter. According to the DPS graph a Curse - dual webbed to 50m/s - will take zero damage when orbitting at 500m. It starts to take damage at 15km. At 20km the Moros deals 73 DPS to the Curse. Peak damage of 1091 DPS at 40km.

Robert Lefcourt

BigPoppaMonkeys

E.B.O.L.A.

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#8 - 2012-09-11 09:44:57 UTC

Denuo Secus wrote:

Deminision wrote:

...Moros with a standard blasterfit // Can hit a curse in a 500m orbit at 50ms because of crazy tracking
...

^ This. Apart from that: i want to see that 16k dps Moros and 8k dps Rev fitting.

regards,

rob

Alphaphi

KASK Heavy logistics

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#9 - 2012-09-11 09:59:14 UTC

Robert Lefcourt wrote:

Denuo Secus wrote:

Deminision wrote:

...Moros with a standard blasterfit // Can hit a curse in a 500m orbit at 50ms because of crazy tracking
...

^ This. Apart from that: i want to see that 16k dps Moros and 8k dps Rev fitting.

regards,

rob

the moros is capable of dealing 14k dps at max W/O heat.
the 16k dps moros is a heated moros.


Deminision Voidlords Likes received: 4	#10 - 2012-09-11 10:38:45 UTC The numbers might be slightly wrong, but the principal is still the same, Moros is too out of line with the other dreads.

Reppyk

The Black Shell

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#11 - 2012-09-11 11:37:49 UTC

Denuo Secus wrote:

Tell me more about that caldari navy XL AM.

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Hrett

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#12 - 2012-09-11 11:40:19 UTC

Jack Miton wrote:

I don't fly Dreads, but what are the respective ranges on these? Usually, with gallente blaster ships you always have to deal with the LOLPaperDPS syndrome...

Just curious.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!

Deminision

Voidlords

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#13 - 2012-09-11 11:47:48 UTC | Edited by: Deminision

Hrett wrote:

Jack Miton wrote:

I don't fly Dreads, but what are the respective ranges on these? Usually, with gallente blaster ships you always have to deal with the LOLPaperDPS syndrome...

Just curious.

You siege a moros with navy antimatter and you will **** everything within 40-50 km.

Really a moros is just redicilous once you throw some drugs into the mix


Reppyk The Black Shell Likes received: 824	#14 - 2012-09-11 11:51:19 UTC Deminision wrote: You siege a moros with navy antimatter and you will ** everything within 40-50 km. I AM SPACE CAPTAIN REPPYK. BEWARE. Proud co-admin of frugu.net**, a French fansite about EVE !

Denuo Secus

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#15 - 2012-09-11 12:03:13 UTC | Edited by: Denuo Secus

Reppyk wrote:

Denuo Secus wrote:

Tell me more about that caldari navy XL AM.

Gurista XL AM. With t1 AM it just gets worse - obviously. Idea was to show the (non-)performance at 500m under *bestest* conditions.

State Protectorate Caldari State 11
kyrv State Protectorate Caldari State Likes received: 11	#16 - 2012-09-11 12:48:56 UTC Nice point Denuo Secus.

Jack Miton

School of Applied Knowledge

Caldari State

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#17 - 2012-09-11 13:39:49 UTC

Hrett wrote:

Jack Miton wrote:

I don't fly Dreads, but what are the respective ranges on these? Usually, with gallente blaster ships you always have to deal with the LOLPaperDPS syndrome...

Just curious.

Ranges, no tracking mods:

Moros: 21+19
Revelation: 26+13
Naglfar: 17+36 (59 on torps)
Phoenix: 59

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Doddy Excidium. Likes received: 966	#18 - 2012-09-11 13:58:12 UTC 1 Deminision wrote: The numbers might be slightly wrong, but the principal is still the same, Moros is too out of line with the other dreads. "slightly" lol.

Revelation Space 92
Rashmika Clavain Revelation Space Likes received: 92	#19 - 2012-09-11 14:02:16 UTC 1 Ahhh sweet! I've nott seen a whine thread about "op" Gallente ships needing a nerf since about... 2007? Good times.