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Call For Discussion : CSM Voting Reform

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Win Sui
Perkone
Caldari State
#581 - 2012-09-10 03:40:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Win Sui
This whole fiasco was so badly thought out and so cluelessly communicated (you really didn't expect people to have an issue with this?) that it brings into question the competence of the current CSM.

What's more, this is the ONLY significant initiative we've heard of from them. Other than the 67 pages of 'notes' that were released, because noone could be arsed to actually parse what might be important to the community, or, more likely, simply didn't know.

Here's a hint - your job description doesn't include figuring out how to ensure you get to stay in power, it's to advocate to CCP for changes to the game that the players are asking for.

You haven't been in power for 25% of your term and this is your highest priority? wtf?
Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#582 - 2012-09-10 03:41:15 UTC
Mr Disco wrote:
Aren't you supposed to be working on fixing the game, instead of figuring out how to hold on to power?

EVE Online is bigger than just what occurs after you click the login button. They're playing it right now. On these forums. With us.

And it's starting to look like a welp.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Mr Disco
Doomheim
#583 - 2012-09-10 03:47:43 UTC
Say what you want about the people in CSM 6. There are plenty of people with grudges out there. But if you compare the accomplishments of CSM 6 with the nonsense being spewed forth by CSM 7, it's all a joke. CSM 6 was truly the good ol' days.
Gossamer DT
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#584 - 2012-09-10 03:49:15 UTC
I don't often get into power, but when I do, I like making rules that ensure I stay there.

who is your main, and what does he do?

Shingyoku
Griffin Support Services
Ad-Astra
#585 - 2012-09-10 03:49:49 UTC
Javajunky wrote:
Can I vote you're ********? Where is that in the ballot. Because seriously... you're f'ing ********.

This is about as useful as the CSM notes you published... you know the things no one could bother to possibly read because it was the textbook definition of TLDR.

Log in - Vote - Speak you mind - it's that simple.

The voting system works fine as it is. You just don't agree with a majority of voters and want a way to game the system. You must be a democrat.

If I could I would neg rep ***** slap you across the rooom for epic f'ing stupidity...

Get f'ed


While you're right on everything else it's the republicans trying to disenfranchise voters to try to win the election. If you're going to use a RL annology please get it right.
SavageBastard
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#586 - 2012-09-10 03:50:28 UTC
Courthouse wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
I do not normally comment on CSM issues, but regrettably some in the CSM have invoked my name in a way that would imply or infer that I advocate for or otherwise support this proposal, which I do not.

I think it is unfortunate that this CSM is so afraid of popular voting that they would invent a new system while trying to pass it off under the guise of 'STV'; I can understand their fear of bloc voting and I respect their opinion, but trying to imply that I somehow support this policy shows that they have a lot of growing up to do. The popular opinion is that the CSM should be focusing on game-related issues and getting results instead of fretting about who 'controls' the CSM itself - after all, who cares who controls a CSM if it accomplishes nothing?

This will be my only comment on the issue. Please do not try to involve me in your proposals again; if you must bring up whether I supported X, Y or Z in the past, we're all in a Skype channel together so there's no excuse for not conferring with me about what I support/do not support before making a public assertion to that effect. Good luck in your future endeavors!


Don't worry folks, the CSM's hard at work redefining democracy. We'll get to critical issues as relates to gameplay after the winter summit. Summit notes to follow shortly after CSM 8 elections conclude.



So long as the game is broken in a way that reflects the Founding Fathers' vision, I feel like logging in is worth my time.
Xolve
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#587 - 2012-09-10 03:51:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Xolve
Mr Disco wrote:
Say what you want about the people in CSM 6. There are plenty of people with grudges out there. But if you compare the accomplishments of CSM 6 with the nonsense being spewed forth by CSM 7, it's all a joke. CSM 6 was truly the good ol' days.


In before someone calls you a Goon alt.


Dear CSM Members (not of my heart)-

For all the people touting on and on about how many terms they've served on the CSM there sure isn't a lot being done.
Simply stated, do what people voted you in to do- stop CCP from screwing up our beloved space pixels, and stop trying to fix things that aren't broken when there is literally a mountain of broken mechanics to fix (although this alone alludes that half of you worthless nitpickers even know which mechanics are broken).
Theodoric Darkwind
Enlightened Industries
Goonswarm Federation
#588 - 2012-09-10 03:51:34 UTC
Voting for the loser does not equal disenfranchisement, voting for the loser happens all the time in pretty much every democracy in the world.

If your attempt with a transferable vote system is to try to keep CFC and HBC candidates off the CFC then you didn't look at the CSM7 election results. Had the votes for MBIII and Akeri (sp) been transferred to Dovinian then he would have been quite a few spots higher on the CSM.

Frankly I dont know of any version of the transferable vote that isn't ripe for exploitation. The "one account one vote" system is probably the most fair to everyone, if you vote for a loser then welcome to democracy. And before anyone cries "alts", remember every one of those alts is a paid for account (trial accounts of course should be forbidden from voting), the person with multiple accounts has more time and money invested into EVE no reason why they shouldn't get a vote for each account.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#589 - 2012-09-10 03:57:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Mr Disco wrote:
Aren't you supposed to be working on fixing the game, instead of figuring out how to hold on to power?

Let's review what CSM 7 has been spending their time on according to their own notes, shall we?


1 - CSM: Introduction and White Paper discussions
2 - What is a Stakeholder?
=========
Total: 40 pages



Industry and mining
Starbase rework
EVE/Dust link
EVE UI
Null sec
Ship balance and iteration
Content
========
Total: 35 pages
SpudderNut
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#590 - 2012-09-10 03:59:05 UTC
People voted for you to fix the game, not game the voting system which got you elected.
Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#591 - 2012-09-10 03:59:15 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Mr Disco wrote:
Aren't you supposed to be working on fixing the game, instead of figuring out how to hold on to power?

Let's review what CSM 7 has been spending their time on according to their own notes, shall we?

1 - CSM: Introduction and White Paper discussions
2 - What is a Stakeholder?
=========
Total: 40 pages


Industry and mining
Starbase rework
EVE/Dust link
EVE UI
Null sec
Ship balance and iteration
Content
========
Total: 35 pages

If I read them, will I be very disappointed ?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Ghazu
#592 - 2012-09-10 04:01:03 UTC
hey where's issler pants dainze

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984

CliveWarren
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#593 - 2012-09-10 04:02:08 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
If I read them, will I be very disappointed ?


Like you wouldn't believe.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#594 - 2012-09-10 04:02:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
new chairman, new person for issler to throw under the bus

(luv u miner's friend)
Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#595 - 2012-09-10 04:04:41 UTC
CliveWarren wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
If I read them, will I be very disappointed ?

Like you wouldn't believe.

I'll do it next time I'm on a DBRB op.

Hey guys, let me tell you about the CSM's brave new voting system :shobon:

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

CliveWarren
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#596 - 2012-09-10 04:07:05 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
I'll do it next time I'm on a DBRB op.

Hey guys, let me tell you about the CSM's brave new voting system :shobon:


I'm being 100% serious when I say I'd listen to DBRB for days on end rather than even attempt to read the summit minutes again.
Skeith Oumis
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#597 - 2012-09-10 04:09:01 UTC
CliveWarren wrote:
I'm being 100% serious when I say I'd listen to DBRB for days on end rather than even attempt to read the summit minutes again.

Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
#598 - 2012-09-10 04:09:18 UTC
Jake Rivers wrote:
Oh and stop screwing around CSM, there are some serious game issues you guys keep failing to address to CCP.

Name em?

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM

Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#599 - 2012-09-10 04:09:39 UTC
CliveWarren wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
I'll do it next time I'm on a DBRB op.

Hey guys, let me tell you about the CSM's brave new voting system :shobon:

I'm being 100% serious when I say I'd listen to DBRB for days on end rather than even attempt to read the summit minutes again.

Ok, so I cheated, it seems I only go on bomber ops nowadays, where you can't talk in mumble because the poor FC has to listen to command chat (ie: Boat, you can hear him sometimes in the background when FC is speaking).

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
#600 - 2012-09-10 04:10:10 UTC
Seleene wrote:
If you don't like this initial proposal, counter it with your own and let's see what we can all come up with.

Two step wrote:

Any other actual ideas? I think it is quite clear that some folks don't like the system proposed in the OP, so lets talk alternatives.

I don't know if you've been reading all of the posts in this thread, but here's the link back to my proposal on page 14:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1898558#post1898558