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EFT/Pyfa etc capacitor numbers incorrect
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#21 - 2012-09-07 20:22:49 UTC
It's been quite awhile since I worried about whether a fit was cap stable or not, admittedly it's been a while since I did any missioning.

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Deicist
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-09-07 20:25:27 UTC
Hmm, it's not specifically the cap stable bit that bothers me (although I do afk missions sometimes, so stability does matter to me) it's the fact that those numbers are so completely out of whack.

I'm trying out different fits in the tools before paying for them in eve, so I'd actually like some accurate information on what works and what doesn't.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-09-07 21:57:53 UTC
is your EFT the latest version with latest character info? I haven't had a problem with mine like this.
Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-09-07 23:05:37 UTC
In all the years I've played I've only had 1 cap stable ship. Something I don't tend to worry about as I don't fight afk.
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-09-07 23:06:28 UTC
Gro'Mit wrote:
Ok so i'm using Pyfa, EFT etc etc to setup ship fits, I do this mostly for Capacitor simulation but I have found that I get alot of conflicting results.

For example a fit I have for a loki in EveHQ's EFT is 62% stable, Pyfa says 71% stable and the ingame fitting screen says 43% stable.

My quiestion is, is there a fitting tool that gives accurate results regarding capacitor usage/stability?.

Thanks in advance.


is this even real or its this again /facepalm threat Idea
Gro'Mit
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-09-08 22:46:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Gro'Mit
Johan Civire wrote:
Gro'Mit wrote:
Ok so i'm using Pyfa, EFT etc etc to setup ship fits, I do this mostly for Capacitor simulation but I have found that I get alot of conflicting results.

For example a fit I have for a loki in EveHQ's EFT is 62% stable, Pyfa says 71% stable and the ingame fitting screen says 43% stable.

My quiestion is, is there a fitting tool that gives accurate results regarding capacitor usage/stability?.

Thanks in advance.


is this even real or its this again /facepalm threat Idea


Yea sure if you like Roll

I have the Ship and all modules except the one that is gonna hit my wallet the hardest which is a gist type medium shield booster, just can't afford to buy it and find out i'm not cap stable.
Caprice Azar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-09-08 23:48:48 UTC
In this thread:
- op posting about flying a ship what he can't afford
- likely on his main
- on general discussions forum

Perhaps not the wisest idea? Given the existence of in-game locater npc agents?

(Might as well point out both the ships and fittings forum and the forum devoted to eve related application development...)
Arec Bardwin
#28 - 2012-09-09 00:16:35 UTC
Caprice Azar wrote:
In this thread:
- op posting about flying a ship what he can't afford
- likely on his main
- on general discussions forum

Perhaps not the wisest idea? Given the existence of in-game locater npc agents?

(Might as well point out both the ships and fittings forum and the forum devoted to eve related application development...)
You forgot:
- complaining about free tools not being 100% accurate Roll
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#29 - 2012-09-09 01:23:41 UTC
Currently no, not in the form of a third party program like EFT/Pyfa. Some margin of error should be expected when calculating exact numbers when it comes to cap as it has always been that way and since third party programs don't calculate things like cap levels exactly like Eve does. That said, if you're getting that level of variation between in-game cap levels and what EFT or Pyfa is telling you, I'd would urge one to double check your settup on those programs (skills, imps, links, etc.) to ensure you're not getting false indications.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Gro'Mit
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-09-09 19:01:22 UTC
Arec Bardwin wrote:
Caprice Azar wrote:
In this thread:
- op posting about flying a ship what he can't afford
- likely on his main
- on general discussions forum

Perhaps not the wisest idea? Given the existence of in-game locater npc agents?

(Might as well point out both the ships and fittings forum and the forum devoted to eve related application development...)
You forgot:
- complaining about free tools not being 100% accurate Roll


Was'nt complaining about the free tools which i've donated towards and supported for a few years, great bits of software and really helpfull, the original post was a question about wether or not there is a more accurate tool or other method of calculating cap better.
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#31 - 2012-09-09 22:12:03 UTC
Uris Vitgar wrote:
iirc eft calculates in terms of cap per second whereas pyfa accounts for cycle times and the recharge rate curve and all that stuff. So the pyfa figure is probably the accurate one


PYFA shows the wrong one actually. in PYFA the cap calculator shows much more stable cap than the other tools. I've heard EVE HQ is the most accurate from a friend who uses it, and I know EFT shows capacitors as just slightly more stable than in EVE.
and using the ingame fitting window to figure out cap stability is wrong as you it won't let you simulate situations in which modules are not in use etc., like MWDs being deactivated or Nos mods in use.
also PYFA has a horrible UI. so I'd rather use EFT(because i'm too lazy to use EVE HQ).
Sakari Orisi
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-09-10 15:12:05 UTC
Liafcipe9000 wrote:
Uris Vitgar wrote:
iirc eft calculates in terms of cap per second whereas pyfa accounts for cycle times and the recharge rate curve and all that stuff. So the pyfa figure is probably the accurate one


PYFA shows the wrong one actually. in PYFA the cap calculator shows much more stable cap than the other tools. I've heard EVE HQ is the most accurate from a friend who uses it, and I know EFT shows capacitors as just slightly more stable than in EVE.
and using the ingame fitting window to figure out cap stability is wrong as you it won't let you simulate situations in which modules are not in use etc., like MWDs being deactivated or Nos mods in use.
also PYFA has a horrible UI. so I'd rather use EFT(because i'm too lazy to use EVE HQ).


If you can setup a testcase where pyfa has the wrong stability number compared to actually doing it ingame, I'd very much like to get that so we can fix whichever bug slipped in pyfa. Which example did you test this with ?

The evefit project Pyfa thread Phobos thread
bbb2020
Carebears with Attitude
#33 - 2012-09-10 17:15:27 UTC
Have you tried to go on Sisi and test it there?
Usually thats the best tool to test any setup.
Indalecia
#34 - 2012-09-10 17:53:07 UTC
Liafcipe9000 wrote:
Uris Vitgar wrote:
iirc eft calculates in terms of cap per second whereas pyfa accounts for cycle times and the recharge rate curve and all that stuff. So the pyfa figure is probably the accurate one


PYFA shows the wrong one actually. in PYFA the cap calculator shows much more stable cap than the other tools. I've heard EVE HQ is the most accurate from a friend who uses it, and I know EFT shows capacitors as just slightly more stable than in EVE.
and using the ingame fitting window to figure out cap stability is wrong as you it won't let you simulate situations in which modules are not in use etc., like MWDs being deactivated or Nos mods in use.
also PYFA has a horrible UI. so I'd rather use EFT(because i'm too lazy to use EVE HQ).


I like how you back up your dubious claims with arguments and evidence. Oh wait…

https://o.smium.org/ — v0.13.5 — A browser-based fitting tool and loadout sharing platform
Gro'Mit
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-09-11 04:41:31 UTC
bbb2020 wrote:
Have you tried to go on Sisi and test it there?
Usually thats the best tool to test any setup.


Yeah i tried sis but my new toon is'nt on the sisi account yet.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#36 - 2012-09-11 04:57:40 UTC
Gro'Mit wrote:
Arec Bardwin wrote:
Caprice Azar wrote:
In this thread:
- op posting about flying a ship what he can't afford
- likely on his main
- on general discussions forum

Perhaps not the wisest idea? Given the existence of in-game locater npc agents?

(Might as well point out both the ships and fittings forum and the forum devoted to eve related application development...)
You forgot:
- complaining about free tools not being 100% accurate Roll


Was'nt complaining about the free tools which i've donated towards and supported for a few years, great bits of software and really helpfull, the original post was a question about wether or not there is a more accurate tool or other method of calculating cap better.


Try the new online one in ships and modules. I checked a fit in there the other day and it looked pretty solid as far as up to date, (Incursion 1.2), and accurate.

Osmium iirc

The only reason you'd fit a billion ISK module on a ship is for anoms or sleeper sites in what is most often safe territory, (i.e: generally free from gank threats), so I'm not going to bother telling you it's stupid to PvP in such a fit as I'm pretty sure you already know that.

That said, I lost a 2.5 billion ISK Tengu in just such a site saving a Moros from total destruction once by warping in and pulling all the aggro off it. Fun times.
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Deicist
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-09-11 11:20:09 UTC
Arec Bardwin wrote:
Caprice Azar wrote:
In this thread:
- op posting about flying a ship what he can't afford
- likely on his main
- on general discussions forum

Perhaps not the wisest idea? Given the existence of in-game locater npc agents?

(Might as well point out both the ships and fittings forum and the forum devoted to eve related application development...)
You forgot:
- complaining about free tools not being 100% accurate Roll


More like in this thread:

- op posting asking a simple question about accuracy in the free tools available that simulate fittings
- veteran's posting snark, competely unrelated to the op's question.

It seems a pretty simple question 'is there a free tool that accurately simulates cap usage' since the ones he's tested (and the ones I've tried) clearly don't. Cheers Sobaan for actually giving an answer. The eve related application development probably would have been a better place for this question, but I assume the general discussion forum gets more views and that's why the op posted it here.

IIn my case, 've not tried PYFA yet (windows, need to install the dependencies) but EFT & EveHQ both show wildly wrong numbers after importing my skills from the api and ensuring the fit matches what I have in game. Not a little bit out, but over 20% out. I'll try PYFA and se if that's any better.
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