EVE General Discussion

Why? All that would do would cause people to hoard their ships and artificially prop up the price.

That's because before the patch industrialists who were paying attention built these ships in vast numbers. They are now slowly selling off their stock which were built at pre-patch mineral costs. Of course the ships cost close to the old mineral value.

Eventually, those ships will all be sold and the cost will climb.

The value of any commodity is the price people who have it are willing to sell it for and people who don't have it are willing to buy it for. The amount it costs you to build it is irrelevant.

By the way, every T2 item and almost every Faction/Deadspace item has a value that is entirely divorced from its reprocessed value. Mining Barges are simply another in the long list of items whose prices are not strongly connected to their reprocessed value.

By the way, why do you care if the reprocessed value of an item is different from the build value?

With very few exceptions, meta 0 items have a price that is very VERY close to the build cost. But in other terms... the value of the minerals of a reprocessed retriever is about 25% of the value of the minerals required to build one. It should be much, MUCH higher than that to be in line with pretty much every other meta 0 item in the game (modules and ships).

Hey, guess what, Barges are now part of that list of exceptions. Tah Dah.

CCP's not likely to free up a huge amount of minerals that came from nowhere. You're not likely to convince CCP to flood the market with free minerals with the ever so convincing "but almost every other item (besides T2, POS modules, Bombs, auto-targeters, etc) is reprocess-able and I want to have an artificial price floor so I can make a profit on this BPO that I bought to cash in on the materials increase."

By the way, Bombs have an even lower percentage return.

I know a guy who had 1500 assorted exhumers which he built purchased prior to the patch

Why is it a problem?

The massive stockpiles of pre-patch mining barges would provide the exact same downward pressure on prices as it currently provides.

It is part of the exception, but that alone isn't a good reason to keep it there. I'm of the frame of mind to think that excessive special casing is bad. While short term mass infusion does need to be avoided, as the reprocessing value does here, it doesn't create a case where, in the future, possibly a year or more down the line that the lingering but inconsequential possibilities of any mineral infusion justify keeping more special exceptions.

I didn't miss the part about it not being the only special case so much as I wonder if it's relevant considering the item being looked at. If there are a number of other tech 1 ships in the same boat (aside from the procurer which was changed in the same way for the same reason) and I am mistaken then I admit fault there, but to my knowledge there aren't. This makes this a special case for T1 ships. Other items pulling from a different pool of materials would have their own set of general rules so the comparisons are less than fair.

As far as what it adds, it add the same thing that having the ability to reprocess other T1 hulls does to the retriever (and procurer for that matter). While the value of an items potential mineral return may seem inconsequential I'm sure it could have ramifications for the hulls affected. I can't theorize as to whether they are worth considering, but it makes no sense to have the option on some hulls but not others to recover a significant portion of their worth when another hull of the same class can (covetor to my knowledge does not suffer the same issue).

And really, what major need is there to do collection of information beyond what CCP is likely already doing? Given the magnitude of the change to the tools of the mining profession, CCP is already very likely doing all the research you mention above as they observe people's reactions to what has been done. In any case, after a year or so any real financial gains would be minimal and reprocessing would leave a person very little better off then simply selling on the market, at which point why not make this not to complicated change.

I'm not sure I understand what the whine is.

Started build orders totalling 1000 Retrievers once I heard the build cost would be revised upwards about 4x.

The current price is below build cost, but well above the old 5M or so the Retriever used to cost.

So bleed the Retrievers into the market, or just hold them and collect your easy profit at a later date.

-I mean, isn't tripling or quadrupling your investment good enough?

-Are you mad just because you can't reprocess your Retrievers and instantly multiply your mineral stockpile?

-Am I reading this thread correctly?