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Critique my fit...?

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Fearr Dorchaa
Balls Deep Exploration
#1 - 2012-09-06 17:37:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Fearr Dorchaa
I wanted to rep my Sec Status in deepest darkest Null Sec as easily and quickly and semi AFK'ably as i could, Cane/Drake works but is slow, BS is sitting duck, anything smaller is pretty pointless, best i came up with was using a SB, why?

1) Its fast / agile so i can move systems, jump belts etc quickly
2) It quickly kills my target (NPC BS's)
3) Its cloaky so i can move through those pesky bubble camps
4) I dont need to tank anything really as i basically warp to belts at 50 slowboat off, target BS, 7 salvos later he's dead and i can warp onto next system

i use the fit below, Manticore in order to make use of the Kinetic bonus which is the quickest way to kill Serpentis, the point is there in for the odd time i land on a ratting Raven so i can point/melt him.

Spot any improvements, ways to max my DPS/volley damage??

It currently does 447 DPS and a volley of 4005

[Manticore, Sniper Manticore]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

1MN MicroWarpdrive II
Target Painter II
Faint Warp Disruptor I
Small Shield Extender II

Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Torpedo
Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Torpedo
Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Torpedo
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]

Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Small Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#2 - 2012-09-06 17:58:19 UTC
It looks fine to me, but I'd drop the disruptor (personally).

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Fearr Dorchaa
Balls Deep Exploration
#3 - 2012-09-06 18:00:42 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
It looks fine to me, but I'd drop the disruptor (personally).

-Liang


I hear ya but i couldnt think of anything else to fit, what would you suggest that would add more DPS or make life easier?

Is the TP even worth the slot? i have no experience of using them and whether or not they actually add any advantage?
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#4 - 2012-09-06 18:04:01 UTC
I'd consider finding some way to fit a MSE and use the two extra slots for painters. If you don't mind getting up close, a web+painter would work marvelously. Be careful of NPC frigs - they'll eat you alive if you aren't careful. This is how I got my sec status up last time I did it. :)

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Alara IonStorm
#5 - 2012-09-06 18:15:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
I would say change out the Warp Disruptor for a small ASB. The charges are 1m3 so you can fit 1o in the thing and 20 or 30 more in your cargo hold. Might also want to replace the Flight Time Rig with a Flare Rig, drop to a meta 4 Painter for cap and use an AB to Range Tank. AB also mitigates Dmg and NPC Frigates don't close very fast.

You can cram on a Medium ASB, 2m3 Charges with an AB and Meta Painter.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#6 - 2012-09-06 18:21:23 UTC
Alara, I don't like ASBs for repping sec status in the darkest of null sec. It took me weeks of ratting to fix mine last time and heading back to empire for cap charges or ammo is super frustrating. A MSE works fine for tank, and stuff your cargohold completely full of ammo.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Alara IonStorm
#7 - 2012-09-06 18:25:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Liang Nuren wrote:
Alara, I don't like ASBs for repping sec status in the darkest of null sec. It took me weeks of ratting to fix mine last time and heading back to empire for cap charges or ammo is super frustrating. A MSE works fine for tank, and stuff your cargohold completely full of ammo.

-Liang

Last time I tried Bomber Rating I had my Hauler Character bring down everything to an NPC Station. Probably next time I will dump it in a stealth container. I wasn't thinking of it for tanking but emergency use, better then a Disruptor kinda thing. I just suggested the ASB so he didn't have to drop the second BCU or Rigs. I prefer a Medium Extender, used a Hound though.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#8 - 2012-09-06 18:33:41 UTC
Yeah, I did a Hound in GW. Worked fine, but the 2 stations were permacamped.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Fearr Dorchaa
Balls Deep Exploration
#9 - 2012-09-06 19:45:59 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
I'd consider finding some way to fit a MSE and use the two extra slots for painters. If you don't mind getting up close, a web+painter would work marvelously. Be careful of NPC frigs - they'll eat you alive if you aren't careful. This is how I got my sec status up last time I did it. :)

-Liang


Thanks :)

Only way I can fit a MSE is to drop a BCS which id rather not to, i might try dual TP and see what happens, the quicker and more efficent i can get the NPC BS killing the better
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-09-07 09:19:32 UTC
If you can fly caldari you have also blarpy, if you ever fly also gallente you have enyo, a pure rating small beast that can take on any null sec rat spawn (including faction rats spawn)

I guess you want to use cloacked stuff so you can move in between gates or have the feeling of some "safety", you can do it also with those ships mentioned above, it's all about choosing the right route, use D-Scan, create safe spots, watch your scan for probes etc. and it's by far faster/amusing, but this is only my opinion.

brb

Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#11 - 2012-09-07 09:28:32 UTC
Bombers are great for ratting, especially for gaining sec status back as you want to kill one BS target and then switch system which is less of an issue if you fly a cloaky frigate. Here's some things to conside:

- even though you can stay at range (depending on your skills) there's always a chance of getting tackled by NPC frigs, because of that you really want to fit a web+painter to be able to apply dps to those, if you don't you simply won't get away
- I'd fit an AB, not MWD. MWD would be useful to clear bubbles but if your 0.0 area is slightly secure/empty you won't need it, it'll help you with sig tanking the rats as well
- if you fit an extender (and you should), ALWAYS fit oversized. If you think it won't fit, try it anyway and if you then still can't fit it, don't bother. same size extenders are useless

Here's a ratting manticore fit that works well:

[Manticore, Ratter]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

1MN Afterburner II
Medium Shield Extender II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Scourge Torpedo
Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Scourge Torpedo
Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Scourge Torpedo
[empty high slot]
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Ancillary Current Router I