Player Features and Ideas Discussion

For those of short attention spans, I will start with my main points.

I propose the following changes to mining:

1. Char’s in NPC corps mine at a reduced rate.
a. Chars with less than 1 million SP’s are not effected (or put it into affect once mining barge 1 is trained)

2. Chars in NPC corps have object collision with mining barges or ships in general turned off

3. Noc and Iso moved to low sec and null

Point #1 – players in NPC corps have very low risks. They can smack talk all day long or bot-mine all day long and there really is not much recourse except for ganking (which is not profitable) or bumping (which is slowing building to a point that it is out of hand and needs a nerf thanks to James). Reducing the yield of mining lasers for those in NPC corps does several things:

1. It still allows bots so CCP can still make money on their sub fees but they mine less so they will have to decide on reduced yield or become war-decable.

2. It still allows newer players the ability to mine, just reduces yield

3. It provides motivation for people to move to player corps

Some care needs to be taken with new players. Allow them enough skill points to get in a retriever before the effect hits them so they have time to grow and learn the game. Once you get to a barge, it takes effect. Maybe it can be tied into completion of mining barge one.


Point #2 – Just like ganking was taken a bit too far by declaring it all year round, the bumping thing is just as much of an exploit. I’m all for bumping in a player corp but hiding behind an NPC corp leads to asshatery. Being in an NPC corp makes you immune to the in-game punishment (war-decing). One option might be to get rid of the second NPC corp and once a player leaves a corp, they are put into a solo corp based on their player name. Make that corp war-decable. Just make it so that those solo corps have no advantages and are not allowed to grow beyond one person and cannot anchor POS’s.


Point #3 – There is currently no good reason to go to low-sec. The mining sucks and the gatecamps are plenty. Then throw in the random pirate that likes to AFK cloak and suddenly you have entire systems that are pretty worthless to the average industrialist. Move Iso and Noc to low sec and you solve several issues, builders will have to go there or deal with someone in low or null to get what they need. Trit and Pyr will go down in price due to that being about all you can mine in high. The end result is high-sec miners would make less ISK and there would be a purpose to low besides capital ship storage.


On a side note, I am a miner. I'm not saying that these ideas are perfect but I am acknowledging that there are some issues with high-sec mining. Unlike the opposition, my feelings are the troubles with high-sec mining all stem from NPC corps. Once people are in player corps, there is a war-dec system in place to keep people flying right. I dont have any issues with a guy who wants to sit in a player corp and mine to make 30 million an hour. I dont know why other people find this an issue. A miner could easily go to null and moon-mine or rat and make several times this amount. If a person wants to mine in high-sec why the hate? On the other side of the coin, I agree botting and asshatery hiding behind an NPC corp needs to be addressed. Keep the sandbox and let people play the way they want. Lose the protection that NPC corps provide.

Somebody is upset that their favorite mining grounds are over mined. Cutting into your profits I guess.
Why should high sec be any different than null sec? Resources should be limited and a then something to fight over.
That is what wars are all about.

NPC corps have their own built in nerfs already. Stupid to add more just because your mining ground problems.

Are botters a problem or is ok to bot in highsec behind an NPC corp?

After reading your post and giving it some serious thought I have come to the conclusion that most of us would be better off if you didnt post anymore.

I'm all for the cause of bringing the issue to light and if someday you decide to stop doing the exact same thing that you say you are against, I may even join the new order and place a picture of you above my desk.

Yet another self-entitled whiner going on because the game is not played their way, and they have WAY too much time to sit around and forum post instead of actually playing the game.

In the time it took you to compose and type that I KNOW I've made 20M ISK.

This is beyond old.

Moving some minerals into low/null sec will only create more wealth for larger corps/alliances who can protect their barges in low/null and you might slightly increase the number of ninja miners. Most highsec miners will stay in highsec and the price of those minerals will drop cause they're the minerals everyone will be mining.

It wont change how many people are mining in highsec. If you're trying to get more people mining in low sec. well then, good luck with that.

Wow. Panties are officially in a knot.

Posting in a nerf NPC Corps thread.

Congratulations You just sunk your entire post. It was leaking pretty badly before that, especially when you said bots were “allowed”, but that one just put a kiloton warhead shell right through the deck and out the bottom.

Pretty much none of the issues you listed are actual issues, and what's left is contradictory or just flat-out wrong. That is pretty impressive, all told.