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Rob Lorence
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-09-05 07:47:58 UTC
Hey,

Is there any decent money to be made off of high sec salvaging? or am i better off doing level2 missions myself and salvaging those?

If anyone can provide any tips like good high sec spots or a good fit for noctis etc would be great
Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-09-05 11:14:14 UTC
To be honest no.

You won't find enough wreaks in high sec to make it worth your while, even if you lurk around such places as the RvB battleground. Ninja salvaging is more for fun and provoking PvP action, not profit.

Salvaging your own mission wreaks is the only way to go in terms of profit. Your tractor beams work on the wreaks, you don't get flagged for PvP and can loot without risk. However, to be frank even this isn't worth doing until you get to higher level missions. You're best bet is to blast through the L2 and get your standings up, only at L3 does it start to get profitable to salvage missions.
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#3 - 2012-09-05 11:14:28 UTC
Your hotspots are any mission hub, (place with alot of lvl 4 mission agents), and you can ask in local to salvage missions from mission runners, be patient many people don't trust anyone (good rule by the way) you can make good isk from full salvage and loot, ~10 to 30 mil depending on missions, if you want to see the salvaging side up close join a corp called PRO SYNERGY, that's their main venture.
ISD Etetia
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-09-05 11:57:20 UTC
I know people who made enough ISK during their trial to purchase a PLEX, and upgrade their account, just by salvaging wrecks in high sec, and selling the materials.

Asking people nicely if you may tag along on their missions and salvage is always an option, but at times it can be difficult finding people willing to offer this.

Being with ISD, I would never consider doing anything mean to other players, Roll
nor would I encourage it. However... I WILL leave you with these few pieces of random information:

- Combat scanner probes in an Expanded probe launcher allows you to find other ships

- Yellow wrecks belonging to other players, can be salvaged by anyone with no reprecautions

- Tech 1 battleships and tech 3 strategic cruisers running missions, usually don't have enough spare highslots to salvage efficiently while fighting

ISD Etetia

Commander

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Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#5 - 2012-09-05 12:12:15 UTC
Major Trant wrote:
To be honest no.

You won't find enough wreaks in high sec to make it worth your while, even if you lurk around such places as the RvB battleground. Ninja salvaging is more for fun and provoking PvP action, not profit.

Salvaging your own mission wreaks is the only way to go in terms of profit. Your tractor beams work on the wreaks, you don't get flagged for PvP and can loot without risk. However, to be frank even this isn't worth doing until you get to higher level missions. You're best bet is to blast through the L2 and get your standings up, only at L3 does it start to get profitable to salvage missions.


Uh lol, what? You've obviously not ninja-salvaged someone's L4 missions then? Get someone who's run Angel Extraganza or the like and you;ll be sitting on 10-20M salvage + loot if you are feeling adventurous stealing...

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Rob Lorence
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-09-05 12:15:37 UTC
Can anyone suggest specific systems that are frequent lvl 4 missions?
Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-09-05 12:31:59 UTC
ISD Etetia wrote:
I know people who made enough ISK during their trial to purchase a PLEX, and upgrade their account, just by salvaging wrecks in high sec, and selling the materials.

I'd ask when this happened?

Believe me, I'm not just talking from hearsay, I have actually done this profession, extensively. I used to make a great deal of money from it. I first joined Eve in 2009 just after Rigs were split up into Small, Medium and Large and it was a real boom time for salvaging.

However, both salvaging and looting drops have been nerfed and the general price of salvaged items has dropped considerably. RvB battlegrounds were a great place for this, but recently an hour of running around doing this after a major battle nets me about 80 Metal Scraps and if I'm lucky a couple of million Isk worth of other salvage.

T2 salvage is the exception, but even that market has waned considerably. Once I could get 32M for a T2 plate, now it is about 14M. T2 salvage is considerably rarely, too rare to make a living from, just a nice opportunist bonus when you find it and then your best bet is a fast frigate and T2 salvagers to beat the competition.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-09-05 12:32:49 UTC
Rob Lorence wrote:
good fit for noctis etc would be great

What could be easier?
3 salvage rigs, 3 t2 salvagers, 5 t2 tractor beams, ab,mwd, expanded cargohold (or overdrives/cprs depending on salvage scale) in lows.

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Rob Lorence
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-09-05 12:39:49 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Rob Lorence wrote:
good fit for noctis etc would be great

What could be easier?
3 salvage rigs, 3 t2 salvagers, 5 t2 tractor beams, ab,mwd, expanded cargohold (or overdrives/cprs depending on salvage scale) in lows.



Well i'm new to the game but arn't tractor beam useless if i want to highjack wrecks in highsec? Also don't i need some scanning equip or something?
Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-09-05 12:40:29 UTC
Rob Lorence wrote:
Can anyone suggest specific systems that are frequent lvl 4 missions?

The RvB systems are Otela, Liekuri, Josameto and Poinen. In addition there is a nearby very popular Sister of Eve L4 agent in nearby Osmon who sends ppl on missions in Osmon, Inaya and Korsiki usually. All of these systems are in the Forge region 2-7 jumps from Jita.
Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-09-05 12:45:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Major Trant
Rob Lorence wrote:
Well i'm new to the game but arn't tractor beam useless if i want to highjack wrecks in highsec? Also don't i need some scanning equip or something?

Yes Tractor beams only work on your own wreaks (NPC ships you killed, or your own ships that you lost) or abandoned player wreaks - the ones that are blue. These are either explicitly abandoned by the owning player or the result of Concord actions.

Scanning equipment is used if you are going to probe down mission runners and raid their mission space. Do not even think about doing that in a Noctis. The Noctis is designed for the more passive salvaging AND looting your own or friendly mission spaces. For aggressive salvaging of unowned wreaks, where you can't use a tractor beam and looting gets you aggressively flagged, you should be doing that from a Frigate or Destroyer.
Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-09-05 12:55:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Major Trant
Diana Kim wrote:
Rob Lorence wrote:
good fit for noctis etc would be great

What could be easier?
3 salvage rigs, 3 t2 salvagers, 5 t2 tractor beams, ab,mwd, expanded cargohold (or overdrives/cprs depending on salvage scale) in lows.

You don't need an AB, mission spaces allow the use of MWDs now. If you can fit T2 Salvagers, I wouldn't advise salvage rigs either, that is overkill, fit Agility rigs instead, the Noctis flies like a brick.

If you can't fit T2 Salvagers, fit 4/4 Salvager I/Tractor Beams and there might be a case for fitting Salvager Rigs, but you should be skilling for T2 Salvagers if this is going to be a serious profession for you, the difference is enormous.
Lyric Lahnder
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-09-05 13:31:33 UTC
On occasion my mission alt will brush the dust off his noctis and salvage a mission or two but only under these circumstances.

1) The wrecks presnt are either: Gurista, Bloodraider, Sansha, or Angel
2) There are a significant amount of Battleship wrecks
3) Its with in one jump of where my Noctis is.

Gurista wrecks will give you ward consoles which you need for shield rigs
Raiders will give you armor plates which you need for armor rigs
Sanshas will give you armor plates" "
Angel wrecks will give you tritanium bars which make astronautic rigs


Avoid EOM wrecks, they may be amar hulls like raiders but they have **** salvage.
Those 3 things and the fact that I run lvl 4's make salvaging certain missions in high sec worth the extra time.
Also considering the rats mentioned if you do ninja salvaging its a good Idea to focus on those rat types wrecks as they will get you more bang for your buck.

google agent finder. Look up security agents by faction. also know that the lower the security the higher the pay out. People used to loiter around motsu. Then they changed agents and the great diaspora happened. Once you think you have located a good mission agent check dotlan for his system and see the number of jumps into and out of the system. If there are high chances are you found a mission running hub and that system and the surrounding system will have mission runners in them. Use combat scanner probes to locate tech III's, and battleships, warp in book mark it, warp out. Wait for them to leave and start clearing the site. Focus on clearing battleship wrecks first then move down the line.

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Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-09-05 13:43:53 UTC
Hazen Koraka wrote:
Major Trant wrote:
To be honest no.

You won't find enough wreaks in high sec to make it worth your while, even if you lurk around such places as the RvB battleground. Ninja salvaging is more for fun and provoking PvP action, not profit.

Salvaging your own mission wreaks is the only way to go in terms of profit. Your tractor beams work on the wreaks, you don't get flagged for PvP and can loot without risk. However, to be frank even this isn't worth doing until you get to higher level missions. You're best bet is to blast through the L2 and get your standings up, only at L3 does it start to get profitable to salvage missions.


Uh lol, what? You've obviously not ninja-salvaged someone's L4 missions then? Get someone who's run Angel Extraganza or the like and you;ll be sitting on 10-20M salvage + loot if you are feeling adventurous stealing...

I do have some experience of Ninja Salvaging and Looting and 10-20M Isk worth of loot and salvage from Angel Extraveganza sounds about right. But I don't consider that profitable compared to other pursuits for the effort involved and you are guilty of cherry picking one of the most advantagous examples. How do you find someone running Angels Extraveganza? Your probes don't tell you that, you can't filter your scans for specific missions. You get a hit on a ship or a drone. You warp to the hit and if you're lucky you find an acceleration gate. You go through the acceleration gate and hopefully you find wreaks and another acceleration gate. Without working tractor beams, you have to approach every wreak, loot and salvage it, then go through the next acceleration gate rinse and repeat. Sometimes you will eventually guess that is was Angel's Extraveganza, most times it will be something less profitable.

Ninja looting and salvaging is fun and can make a bit of isk. But if profit is your primary motivation you should be looking to do something else. I was responding to the OP and initially he was talking about high sec salvaging only for profit, in a Noctis. This is not a ship for Ninja Salvaging and certainly not one for Ninja Looting.
Sakiya Shiratori
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-09-05 14:28:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Sakiya Shiratori
Quote:


You won't find enough wreaks in high sec to make it worth your while, even if you lurk around such places as the RvB battleground. Ninja salvaging is more for fun and provoking PvP action, not profit.


You are looking at it from the wrong eyes.

OP were asking if he could make more money doing ninjasalvaging compared to lvl 2s.
For a new player, it's few things that can make you as much isk as ninjalooting + salvaging. Risk is almost zero if you do it correctly. And you won't cry if you loose a 500k ship.

I recommend using two ships if you plan on looting though. One ship for scanning with sisters probe launcher and sisters probes. The full fitting will often go up to 15m or so, so it's not something you want to use for the actually looting. If you can use coverts ops ships. go for it. .

Now for the actual looting you use a second ship. A fast frigate with a big hold. Make sure to keep the cost low. You shouldn't spend more 1-2m. Use T1 equipment.

If the prey is still on grid you simply salvage the battleship wrecks while checking the container. Mark out the good stuff and try to stay close to them.

Now one of a few things might happen
1. Your prey will warp out while there are still NPCs on grid. Now you have about 5sec to loot everything inside 2.5km and warp out. Make a safespot on the warp out so you have a good location to DSCAN for his return.

2. Your prey warps out, or moves into the next room. Now you go to town! Fill up your cargo. Drop the cargo at a safespot if you run out of space. DSCAN the next room if available. You know what to do if you see him leave! Warp to safespot and wait out the agression timer once you are done or if your prey comes back.¨

3.Your prey starts looting or brings a second noctis alt. Noctis are evil! Not much to do here. Check as many containers as you can. Align + Loot + Warp to safespot if you see anything good.
Jax Bederen
Dark Horse RM
#16 - 2012-09-05 20:18:42 UTC
Sakiya Shiratori wrote:
Quote:


You won't find enough wreaks in high sec to make it worth your while, even if you lurk around such places as the RvB battleground. Ninja salvaging is more for fun and provoking PvP action, not profit.


You are looking at it from the wrong eyes.

OP were asking if he could make more money doing ninjasalvaging compared to lvl 2s.
For a new player, it's few things that can make you as much isk as ninjalooting + salvaging. Risk is almost zero if you do it correctly. And you won't cry if you loose a 500k ship.

I recommend using two ships if you plan on looting though. One ship for scanning with sisters probe launcher and sisters probes. The full fitting will often go up to 15m or so, so it's not something you want to use for the actually looting. If you can use coverts ops ships. go for it. .

Now for the actual looting you use a second ship. A fast frigate with a big hold. Make sure to keep the cost low. You shouldn't spend more 1-2m. Use T1 equipment.

If the prey is still on grid you simply salvage the battleship wrecks while checking the container. Mark out the good stuff and try to stay close to them.

Now one of a few things might happen
1. Your prey will warp out while there are still NPCs on grid. Now you have about 5sec to loot everything inside 2.5km and warp out. Make a safespot on the warp out so you have a good location to DSCAN for his return.

2. Your prey warps out, or moves into the next room. Now you go to town! Fill up your cargo. Drop the cargo at a safespot if you run out of space. DSCAN the next room if available. You know what to do if you see him leave! Warp to safespot and wait out the agression timer once you are done or if your prey comes back.¨

3.Your prey starts looting or brings a second noctis alt. Noctis are evil! Not much to do here. Check as many containers as you can. Align + Loot + Warp to safespot if you see anything good.


4. The "prey" blows up the wrecks, my personal favorite, and you wasted your time.
Mukirana
Lone Lion Corporation
#17 - 2012-09-05 20:32:28 UTC
People will tell you that it's not worth, but I can tell you that YES it's worth salvaging. How much? This depends. It's a bit of luck with skills I have run a salvager alt for some time and I could make 30Mi in 20 minutes or 30Mi in 2 hours. Some missions/factions have better drops and salvage than others. Ii you could find a place with lots of wrecks it will be by sure worth. Also in some corps people leave the wrecks for corpmates, so you could make some good ISK without too much danger, just ask people to leave the wrecks. There is a in game channel called Free wrecks or something like this that you can ask for mission wrecks.

As for good places to salvage I would say to try the major mission hubs, often mission runners don't salvage, except if they have an salvager ALT or use marauders that have free high slots to salvage while they do the missions.
Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#18 - 2012-09-06 12:28:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Hazen Koraka
Major Trant wrote:
[quote=Hazen Koraka][quote=Major Trant]To be honest no.

snip

Ninja looting and salvaging is fun and can make a bit of isk. But if profit is your primary motivation you should be looking to do something else. I was responding to the OP and initially he was talking about high sec salvaging only for profit, in a Noctis. This is not a ship for Ninja Salvaging and certainly not one for Ninja Looting.


Sure, I picked on that one because its one of the better things to salvage. I usually can tell if someones running it by using dscan and seeing a large number of large angel wrecks on the scanner.

That or the presence of a lot of large wrecks of anything is of interest if you are ninja salvaging, with the caveat that you actually gotta find someone running mid-mission to be able to locate their site, but I guess thats the hazard of this profession.

I've found around any of the major mission hubs, there's usually at least 1 or 2 people running this mission.

Edit: Oops forum ate rest of my post, and now I forgot what I was gonna say!

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#19 - 2012-09-06 17:53:40 UTC
There's in-game chat channels for people looking for others to salvage their missions.

Free Wrecks
salvage forum

I seem to recall one something like "salvage my mission" but I can't confirm that at the moment.