Warfare & Tactics

Sorry Gallactica/Lock out. While I agree with you EVE is what you want to make of it we must come to the agreement that corporations like WBR and SOTF (while remaining in FW) are the equivalent of a bear living in a petting zoo.

Time and time again SOTF pilots (including the two aforementioned) complain of not getting the fights they seek. WBR pilots complaining the minmatar front is not exciting enough for them as it turned into 'thrashers online'.

How many times have both SOTF and WBR had to rumble with the likes of Rooks and Kings, Pandemic Legion, Ninja Unicorns, snuff box etc. (you get the picture) just to get the sort of fights they love and live for?

Don't get me wrong, those fights are hugely fun, in fact I have an alt that is fully skilled for Guardian/Abbadon/Legion that will be lining up the last skill needed for full gunnery skills sometime this month. Problem is those 'perfect' fights are few and far between in my opinion. Leaving the pilot that seeks only those fights with weeks of thumb twirling in anticipation of that next BIG fight.

From my experience the first hour or two of a day in simple plex fighting can net me 5 to 10 kills not to mention the intense blood pumping action that we all love and are addicted to. The case for me was simple; Why wait for weeks on end for one blood pumping fight when I can have it (albeit in smaller doses of frig/cruiser/bc fights) pretty much everyday? At least thats my choice in EVE.

To your credit (and I say this with great disappointment) at least SOTF remains beneficial to the FW side they fight for. Lining up for bunker busting/counter bunker busting fleets being the Zenith corporation the Gallente look up to. WBR on the other hand in my opinion turned into an abomination of what it once stood for but that my friend is a totally separate can of worms I will refrain from bringing up here.

We all seek balance and to slant the mechanics of a certain aspect of EVE in our favor. But one must agree that FW was never meant for the type of slugfests your pilots seek. While yes the BS/logi fights happened in the past. Lets not forget they happened between WBR and SOTF. Both beasts as previously pointed out that have far outgrown the limited confines of FW.

Bottom line in most of the 'Anti' WBR/SOTF posts like the one pointed out by Damar is simple.... The fighting style of both corps is just to big to be confined in FW. Based in FW is fine, but confined to it? no. And your hope that the new FW fighting mechanics will be slightly tilted to allow you to play your game in FW is what all the objection is about.

Besides who wants to pet a bear when there are fluffy bunnies as an alternative.

Oh no, now you've made me curious : what did it once stand for? what does it stand for now?

According to Damar, GalMil is composed of:

1) "Isk-starved" people.
2) People who don't hesitate to throw faction BS / logi fleets into battle via titan-bridge.

I suppose delusions don't have to be consistent.

Back to constructive discussion, I agree with Gallactica's sentiment that FW is just part of the sandbox. You can devote as much or as little of your time into the intended mechanics as you wish. Being in a militia doesn't require that you play the game a certain way.

Part of why we have a set of diverse corporations is to cater to different playstyles and time zones. People who don't like to fly the way SoTF does can always sign up with a different corp or vice versa.

As far as plex mechanics goes, people generally want several things out of it:
1) A mechanic to encourage PvP.
2) Isk, so people can 'make a living' off of FW if they so chose.
3) An occupancy metagame that 'makes sense' and immersively resembles an actual war.

Number one seems best served by making the "cut-off" point of a lot of plexes a basic t1 empire hull. As the popularity of RvB shows, there's a rather big demand for cheap and accessible PvP. People will gladly throw their ruppies and thoraxes into the fray, if they're not owned every time by a cynabal.

And to encourage PvP, CCP should definitely do away with plans to allow a single WT to stop the timer just by being on grid. Speedy Benny-Hill chases don't make for satisfying pew pew for a lot of players. But this has been a very commonly-voiced reservation about Ytterbium's posts, and I'd be surprised if this possibility isn't on CCP's radar.

And Caldari players as well....

Angry? No. You do not just seem to realize how it goes. All Caldari see is how their enemy does stupid things, usually you do not see what your own militia does. So most of my observations are from gallente players as enemy.

So all i see now is how gallente player try to be smart and smack something, but fails miserably.

Let me guess: Fweddit?

Me angry about wardec?

You should know that i am well know about long wars, longest wardec PERVS had lasted more than 1 and half year, until enemy surrended.

We did not get war because of badmouthing, we got it because alliance who wardeced us has leaders from the DARK and they are still mad for us for some reason. Reason really does not matter because they are gallente militia after all. I was talking about their actions against caldari militia when they wardeced us but is just excuse for wardec, true reason is something else.

I doubt that wardec was not the reason why we left alliance.

And what comes to me and Damar, you can always trust that we are loyal to Caldari State, if that does not fit in your plans it is your problem not ours.

Post with main. Quentin Marshall

Quentin Marshall is definitately afraid to pvp and probably only orbits buttons all day to farm.

1) You are from minmatar militia, which consists of 99% nothing but lp farmers.

2) That is gallente militia who is filled by untalented hacks like Psymn/Crosi Wesdo who could not pvp their way out of wet paper bag if they didnt have their t3 links, neutral guardians, titan bridges, etc. for their "solo pvp".

Yet claim they are best thing since sliced bread.

And which leader should that be? Do you know how many pilots were in Dark-Rising during 6 years?