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Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#1 - 2012-09-04 07:25:02 UTC
So, I completed my training for covert ops cloak so I can fully use the buzzard I bought a week or so back.

So I started fitting it last night and just discovered... it has no drone bay.. wth? Isn't it supposed to be a T2 version of the heron which has 1 drone?

I wanted to fit this for an all round explorer ship, but now I'm left with no drone to clear out radars etc that have rats in.

It also only has 3 highs, so you either forgoe the covops cloak (not wise if you wanna do losec) or drop the salvager - ok so you can't do magsites now either...

And you're left with what, 1 high slot for a weapon (after using covops, and a probe launcher).

Kinda gimped no? I guess it's not what this class of ship is meant to be (cloaky scout) but leaves a big hole. I may as well just stick with a heron I guess?

Exploration is Random. Random is Random... or is it?! http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html
Vigo Carpath
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-09-04 07:41:25 UTC
Hazen Koraka wrote:
So, I completed my training for covert ops cloak so I can fully use the buzzard I bought a week or so back.

So I started fitting it last night and just discovered... it has no drone bay.. wth? Isn't it supposed to be a T2 version of the heron which has 1 drone?

I wanted to fit this for an all round explorer ship, but now I'm left with no drone to clear out radars etc that have rats in.

It also only has 3 highs, so you either forgoe the covops cloak (not wise if you wanna do losec) or drop the salvager - ok so you can't do magsites now either...

And you're left with what, 1 high slot for a weapon (after using covops, and a probe launcher).

Kinda gimped no? I guess it's not what this class of ship is meant to be (cloaky scout) but leaves a big hole. I may as well just stick with a heron I guess?


Did you bother to look at the ship before you bought it and trained for it?
Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#3 - 2012-09-04 07:47:33 UTC
Any constructive comments? Fitting examples? Would be helpful.....

Exploration is Random. Random is Random... or is it?! http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html
Darius Brinn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-09-04 07:54:33 UTC
Hazen Koraka wrote:


Kinda gimped no? I guess it's not what this class of ship is meant to be (cloaky scout) but leaves a big hole. I may as well just stick with a heron I guess?


So, AFTER you trained for the Buzzard, you bothered to read the ship description.

And you're considering the T1 counterpart of a Covops because it has ONE light drone.

There is NOTHING constructive to be said.
Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#5 - 2012-09-04 07:56:38 UTC
Honestly, wtf is with these trolls?

So I didn't notice it has no frickkin drone bay... yeah.

And yes, I'm reconsidering it because of that fact..

I guess I could just not bother with the covops cloak which I dont really need in hisec, but makes this ship _pointless_ for losec exploration solo, as you can no way clear out losec rats with just a single weapon, it would take forever no?

Anyone with _actual_ experience of this rather than pointless trolling? Honestly....

Exploration is Random. Random is Random... or is it?! http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html
Darius Brinn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-09-04 08:02:58 UTC
Hazen Koraka wrote:
Honestly, wtf is with these trolls?

So I didn't notice it has no frickkin drone bay... yeah.

And yes, I'm reconsidering it because of that fact..

I guess I could just not bother with the covops cloak which I dont really need in hisec, but makes this ship _pointless_ for losec exploration solo, as you can no way clear out losec rats with just a single weapon, it would take forever no?

Anyone with _actual_ experience of this rather than pointless trolling? Honestly....


Exactly, WHEN did you consider that a single light drone would be the deciding factor when it came to judging the capabilities of a ship for low-sec solo exploration?

Do you think that if the Buzzard had a light drone it would make a viable and appropiate solo low-sec exploration ship, able to clear rats in less time than it takes to die of boredom, and survive?

YOU are pointlessly trolling, and with this I end my participation in this irrelevant thread. I suggest everyone to do the same and let this one be the last message. It's the only way to force trolls to make an effort.
Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#7 - 2012-09-04 08:07:43 UTC
I've asked this in completely faith I am NOT trolling.

I find dps output with just 1 T2 hobgoblin far better than I can project just using a single missile launcher. If this ship has a 10m3 drone bay it would be much more viable, esp in losec where I would need to at least be able to clear cruisers.

I guess this ship is only useful for being a cloaky scout and not an exploration ship as I was hoping, esp. with it's nice scanning bonuses.

As for your trolling issues, just go post in a constructive thread instead of trying to derail others which are trying to either get help or have a useful discussion.

Exploration is Random. Random is Random... or is it?! http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html
Ashimat
Clandestine Services
#8 - 2012-09-04 08:45:00 UTC
The covert ops are kinda a support ship focused on information.

It's a scout, a information-gatherer, it's covert (!) stealthy, hard to catch and perfect to keep eyes on enemy. On top of all this it's the most efficient ship to find stuff you need to probe for. It's not meant to be used offensively. The most drastic thing you do is the occasional hero tackle or cyno.

For all this things it's the perfect ship. If people was regarding information in the same way they did tank or dps, they would be crying for a nerf of covert ops. They are really that good.

As fun as fitting guns on a cov ops and killing other cov ops is, i think you are just looking at it the wrong way.

Got blog: http://thecloakedones.blogspot.com
Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#9 - 2012-09-04 09:08:06 UTC
So I guess it's not wasted training, I'm sure it will come in handy some time, but I guess it won't work as I'd hoped as an exploration frigate. I guess I could wait until the winter rebalance of exploration frigates (T1) to see if that makes it any better.

There's always the arbitrator or such like for exploration, but I dislike cruisers because they are too slow to align, esp when to be used in losec.

I could use the buzzard in hisec I guess, as rats are only frigates or destroyers which I could kite and take out at range. Shame I can't also use the covops cloak if I do this. I guess the heron is still the best choice (would be an imicus but then there isn't enough mids to have both analyser, codebreaker and propulsion.

Exploration is Random. Random is Random... or is it?! http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#10 - 2012-09-04 09:38:36 UTC
Hazen Koraka wrote:
Honestly, wtf is with these trolls?


I think he's trying to say that you f*cked up, son.

It isn't trolling if it's true. Back to the drawing board for you.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-09-04 09:45:37 UTC
The common way to use something like a Buzzard in exploration is to use it to probe down sites - which it can do faster than the Heron - and then come back in a ship fit to run the sites. You won't find a full-fledged all-around explorer ship unless you're looking at T2 cruisers like the Ishtar, maybe a pirate cruiser like the Gila, or a Tech-III strategic cruiser like the Tengu.

In the meantime, like they've said above, the Buzzard has a lot of uses beyond simple exploration. Probing down hostile players (not just sites), advanced intel ahead of fleets, and the Buzzard makes a truly nifty high-speed courier. Get practice with transitioning from gate-cloak to covops-cloak, and you'll be about 97.284%* gank-proof.

*Plus or minus 4 percent or so.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#12 - 2012-09-04 09:58:32 UTC
Marc Callan wrote:
The common way to use something like a Buzzard in exploration is to use it to probe down sites - which it can do faster than the Heron - and then come back in a ship fit to run the sites. You won't find a full-fledged all-around explorer ship unless you're looking at T2 cruisers like the Ishtar, maybe a pirate cruiser like the Gila, or a Tech-III strategic cruiser like the Tengu.

In the meantime, like they've said above, the Buzzard has a lot of uses beyond simple exploration. Probing down hostile players (not just sites), advanced intel ahead of fleets, and the Buzzard makes a truly nifty high-speed courier. Get practice with transitioning from gate-cloak to covops-cloak, and you'll be about 97.284%* gank-proof.

*Plus or minus 4 percent or so.


I've tried fitting the Gila, and it's a tough one to fit, being tight on CPU. I guess it would be fine for running radars/mags but I think it would have trouble running DED 5/10s? If I fit for an explorer fit, it would be losing two midslots (codebreaker/analyser) which would seriously gimp it's tank.

Do you have a good exploration Gila fit? I've asked elsewhere, but didn't get any hits.

Also, I guess I can't have it all, cause like all cruisers, takes a while to align, so I could be caught at gates (need to practice the MWD cloaky trick more I guess).

Exploration is Random. Random is Random... or is it?! http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-09-04 10:03:56 UTC
and the award for the single dumbest topic I have ever seen on the forums goes to....

There is no Bob.

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Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#14 - 2012-09-04 11:08:01 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
and the award for the single dumbest topic I have ever seen on the forums goes to....


This guy
Enderri Enderas
HK Enterprises
#15 - 2012-09-04 15:12:45 UTC
I don't get why people troll posts for the sakes of it. This guy obviously just wants to make an exploration ship out of a covops frigate, I don't see why that shouldn't be possible? After all, it has a lot of scanning bonuses no?
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#16 - 2012-09-04 15:43:39 UTC
Not a particular fan of the Gila, but this would do fine for Angel space:

[Gila, exploration]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Federation Navy 10MN MicroWarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pithum C-Type Explosive Deflection Amplifier
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I
Improved Cloaking Device II
Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Light Missile
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Berserker II x5
Bouncer II x5
Garde II x5
Warrior II x5

Decent scanning skills and an AR-806 should mean you're able to pin anything with practice. I can't imagine it having trouble in Red Light District.

Modifications needed for other rats, of course.
Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#17 - 2012-09-04 16:56:39 UTC
Thanks Zhilia for that fit, but if I wanted to specifically do both radars and magsites, as well as potential DED sites, the Gila I think wouldn't be viable?

What could I drop to free 2 med slots? The tracking link and a shield extender? Would that gimp the tank too much?

Exploration is Random. Random is Random... or is it?! http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#18 - 2012-09-04 17:00:12 UTC
Hazen Koraka wrote:
Thanks Zhilia for that fit, but if I wanted to specifically do both radars and magsites, as well as potential DED sites, the Gila I think wouldn't be viable?

What could I drop to free 2 med slots? The tracking link and a shield extender? Would that gimp the tank too much?


That's what your cargo hold is for. Most people who use T3s in low sec have a combat fit and a probing/professional site fit; do the same with your Gila. I'd drop the invuln and the omni for professional sites/probing and carry them to refit for a combat site if/when you find one.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-09-04 17:12:04 UTC
oh ffs...
get a tengu like everyone else.

There is no Bob.

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Miregar Shakor
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-09-04 17:38:20 UTC
Quoting Ship Description:

Name: Buzzard
Hull: Heron Class
Role: Covert Ops Frigate

Designed for commando and espionage operation, its main strength is the ability to travel unseen through enemy territory and to avoid unfavorable encounters.

End quote. I don't really see the problem.
Well, that's a lie - I see it rather clearly. The problem lies with OP's inability to use The Brain, thinking a scalpel is as good of a tool for logging trees as a chainsaw.

Oh how I wish for an animated facepalm emoticon sometimes...What?

Bonus stuff:

[Buzzard, peek-a-boo]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Damage Control II

1MN Afterburner II
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Tracking Disruptor II, Optimal Range Disruption Script

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket

Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Small Bay Loading Accelerator I
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