Intergalactic Summit

I attempted to illuminate them to the atrocities that, we the Caldari, have suffered at the hands of our former Gallente comrades. It spawned a 48 post thread so I thought: hey, maybe somebody here would want to debate that the Gallente are actually evil oppressors not fighting for freedom but for oppression. Here is the original post, I'll be happy to debate with anyone and I'll make it clear that while debates may get heated, I won't use personal insults or foul language just but maybe some heated rhetoric that refers to the Gallente as a whole. The idea of the thread was to illuminate them that they are not freedom fighters like the Minmatar that so many of them believe themselves to be:

TL;DR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXWf-l71MY4Thanks Iron Wolf Saber! ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eAIQR01ZLwThanks to kellogs27 for the linkage! Faction Warfare lore: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M0Iqbz5ZpEThank kellogs27 again with the linkage!

I posted this in another thread but thought maybe to make a thread of its own and get people's attention/opinions. It seems most people think that the Gallente are fighting for liberty and freedom when in fact they're fighting to force the Caldari back into the Federation like the American Civil War. Linkage to evewiki included:

Overthrow you? We took our systems and seceded! We have no wish to overthrow you.


I quote:

The first Gallente-Caldari war broke out nearly two centuries ago when the Caldari State seceded from the Gallente Federation. The war lasted nearly 100 years and was more or less fought to a stalemate. Both sides only agreed to a peace treaty after the Gallente made first contact with the Amarr Empire and decided they were likely to be a bigger threat.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Gallente-Caldari_War


Another:

It all started when a Gallente exploration ship happened upon one of the hidden Caldari colonies. When the Federation Senate learned of this they demanded a full-scale investigation into the matter and that all hidden Caldari colonies should immediately been put under Federation authority. This was too much for the Caldari Corporations, which were already grumbling over increasing Federation interference into their affairs. For the Caldari it was a simple question of losing their autonomy forever by caving in or making a stand right then and there. They decided to make a stand.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Early_Days_%28Chronicle%29


The Gallente forced us from our home:

Following the attack on Nouvelle Rouvenor an extreme right-wing government grabbed the power reigns in the Gallente Federation and advocated a harsh response: bombing Caldari Prime and sending in troops to take control of the planet. Those within the Federation believing that peace talks should be initiated instead of an invasion didn’t dare speak up for fear of being branded cowards or, worse, traitors; the Gallente war machine grinded into gear.

It soon became obvious that it was a question of when, not if, the Gallenteans would take full control of the planet. The newly formed Caldari government, led by the heads of the Corporations, was far from being in full agreement as to what the correct course of action was. This disagreement, which severely hampered the Caldari State in following a coherent strategy, was only settled after the Morning of Reasoning, when the six most militant Corporations jointly ousted the other CEO’s from power. The Caldari saw that it was impossible to try to fight the much larger Gallente Federation for control of Caldari Prime. Instead, they started devising a plan to evacuate the Caldari population on the planet.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Breakout_%28Chronicle%29


And lastly:

After a while the Caldari agenda became clear - they were willing to sign peace if the Federation would return Caldari Prime and acknowledge the newly formed Caldari state. But the Gallenteans couldn’t agree to these demands for two reasons: one, they were loath to admit a sovereign state into their midst; close to their own home planet and were unwilling to uproot the sizeable Gallente population on Caldari Prime, and second, the Gallenteans were not alone in the Federation and if they allowed the Caldari to leave the Intakis and Mannars, both of them starting to flex their economical and political muscles, might be tempted to follow, thus throwing the whole society into turmoil. The Gallenteans were forced to regard the Caldari as rebels and renegades and had to try to get them back into the Federation, with good or evil.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_War_Drones_On_%28Chronicle%29


No matter what your ideas may tell you; you and your people are fighting a war of oppression. We have more in common with the Intaki and Mannars than you Gallenteans and your oppressive governments and regimes. You're the evil faction, the Amarr of this war.

Heck why not, this is what we stand for:

Founded on the tenets of patriotism and hard work that carried its ancestors through hardships on an inhospitable homeworld, the Caldari State is today a corporate dictatorship, led by rulers who are determined to see it return to the meritocratic ideals of old. Ruthless and efficient in the boardroom as well as on the battlefield, the Caldari are living emblems of strength, persistence, and dignity.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Caldari

We believe in a society based on advancement of merit, your skill and your discipline. Not social grace and who you know, the cronyism of the Gallente. We're fighting for our freedom men. We're not conquerors, we only wish to receive self-determination. Autonomy, peace among brothers.

Miss Rella,

I know you have absolutely no reason to value anything I say or suggest to you, but perhaps it would be best for you to take a few days and center yourself? Perhaps visit a shaman or other elder or maybe just spend time among some friends away from the hostility and violence that you are surrounded with.

May I have a link to said 48 page thread?

Guess they used up all their "good" helping arm the Minmatar to fight against slavery. Also, wasn't that a guy impersonating Noir after he was murdered?

I'm sorry....the who?

It sounds vaguely Amarrian (American? Amarrian?) but I can't find anything in our records...

It would appear that the reports of a faulty fluid router around here are indeed correct.

I'll have to disengage this one whilst the technicians identify the source of this interloping signal.

*click*