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malcovas Henderson
THoF
#101 - 2012-09-03 02:21:19 UTC
Op. CCP held your hand while mining and still you failed. Please stop mining, you're giving us Miners a bad name.
Marked Prospectus
Doomheim
#102 - 2012-09-03 02:23:11 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Op. CCP held your hand while mining and still you failed. Please stop mining, you're giving us Miners a bad name.


I'm sorry, I'll go back to not playing EVE. No harm done.
Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#103 - 2012-09-03 02:23:17 UTC
Marked Prospectus wrote:
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Marked Prospectus wrote:
Karl Hobb wrote:
[quote=Marked Prospectus]My existence as a lowsec miner already has a hearty list of folks lined up to take advantage of me./quote]
Took you long enough. Now, let's watch this thread you've created devolve into comparisons between a video game and real life violence.

Thanks for shitting up GD.


Yeah I screwed that up pretty well. Being livid doesn't help, but alteast it explains my stupidity. I just can't believe how vigorously these folks are willing to defend this endorsed behavior of forcing people who don't want to participate in a fight with another live human being to fight. It's actually quite disturbing.

It's like trying to defend the Roman Colosseum's future existence. I just can't comprehend this.


Because it is part of the core nature of this game.

This is not supposed to be everyone hold hands and have a happy fun time; it is supposed to be cold and hard. One developer said you should be a little angry when you sign into Eve.

We get angry and defend it because every papercut of a nerf to those playstyles you abhor add up to eventually kill the core nature of the game. Everytime they prevent a style of play, that is killing what this game is about; including ganking.

Scrubs that whine about in game actions and don't do anything to prevent it in game will be the death of this great game; so you are in effect trying to kill what is Eve when you make these threads.

That is why Eve players will tell you to leave and just go play something else. We'd rather have one less player, then one more player who is just going to try and change thte game. We do not want our game ruined to appeal to people that don't understand it in the first place.



I'll use this thread as an example for future Eve players everywhere. I appreciate all who participated. It's actually a bit of a relief that this sort of design consideration is expected. Future eve players who read reviews will be made aware immediately if I can have any input into future MMO articles involving this game.

Steadfast, Proud, and Experienced at Eve Online. These are the requirements to play EVE. And if you are not any of those things, don't bother playing.


No, you still miss the point. You do not have to be experienced, but you have to be willing to learn. That appears to be your failing.

Please do use this thread to advertise the game, it will appeal to the players that can make it in the game.

Hope is not lost for you, you simply need to learn from the event and do your best to prevent it. If you are not willing to put in that bare minimum of effort though, then Eve is not for you.

James315 for CSM 8!
Shogun Archer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#104 - 2012-09-03 02:26:02 UTC
Eve's been around since 2003. It's not really anything most people don't already understand. There's plenty of room for new players. They just have to have a pair.

OP, all you really had to do was spend like 10 minutes reading about exhumer/miner updates to keep yourself from getting killed. And possibly let your wife have fleet control and gang warp you guys out while you were tinkling.

Was really no big deal. I think you should stop comparing real life scenarios to a video game (the previous one and the roman Colisseum bit). It's a vidoe game, and we like it. Sorry that you don't.

As far as you trying to "fix" the game with more "safety", etc, well you kinda remind me of a fascist politician in that regard.

If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#105 - 2012-09-03 02:27:06 UTC
Marked Prospectus wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Op. CCP held your hand while mining and still you failed. Please stop mining, you're giving us Miners a bad name.


I'm sorry, I'll go back to not playing EVE. No harm done.


I think many of us find this to be acceptable. You are not EVE material to begin with.

It's just irritating to encounter people with such a massive sense entitlement, so much so that he could make a VERY stupid mistake, find himself suffering the consequences of that mistake, then blame the game....for HIS mistake.

I guess some people need to do that to feel better, perhaps is a defense mechanism they use to protect their fragile egos. Whatever the case, if it gets the op and others like him to quit , well, mission accoomplished and well done ccp.
Marked Prospectus
Doomheim
#106 - 2012-09-03 02:33:20 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Marked Prospectus wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Op. CCP held your hand while mining and still you failed. Please stop mining, you're giving us Miners a bad name.


I'm sorry, I'll go back to not playing EVE. No harm done.


I think many of us find this to be acceptable. You are not EVE material to begin with.

It's just irritating to encounter people with such a massive sense entitlement, so much so that he could make a VERY stupid mistake, find himself suffering the consequences of that mistake, then blame the game....for HIS mistake.

I guess some people need to do that to feel better, perhaps is a defense mechanism they use to protect their fragile egos. Whatever the case, if it gets the op and others like him to quit , well, mission accoomplished and well done ccp.



I still can't take that being killed by folks willing to grief other folks is a mistake.

I think that is clear evidence of the institutionalized acceptance of griefing. Someone earlier said "This is not considered griefing" just that clear mental shift from what clearly *is* accepted griefing to not being considered griefing is something that is very hard (even for someone well aware of how psychotic EVE's accepted reality is) to readjust to.

There is no game like EVE, and no accepted player behavior as that in EVE. In any other game, the players involved would be chastised and as soon as they performed this act would be doing as much as they could before the GM's of that game came to rectify such obvious obstruction of fun. But in eve it's the player who complains that is obstructing the fun. The fault of the player who's hard work created an opportunity for others to exploit for their fun.

If it's hard for me to twist my mind to, imagine those who are unaccustomed. Imagine the uninitiated. Entering EVE for the first time must be like entering a sanitorium.
Shogun Archer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#107 - 2012-09-03 02:38:51 UTC
Marked Prospectus wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Marked Prospectus wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Op. CCP held your hand while mining and still you failed. Please stop mining, you're giving us Miners a bad name.


I'm sorry, I'll go back to not playing EVE. No harm done.


I think many of us find this to be acceptable. You are not EVE material to begin with.

It's just irritating to encounter people with such a massive sense entitlement, so much so that he could make a VERY stupid mistake, find himself suffering the consequences of that mistake, then blame the game....for HIS mistake.

I guess some people need to do that to feel better, perhaps is a defense mechanism they use to protect their fragile egos. Whatever the case, if it gets the op and others like him to quit , well, mission accoomplished and well done ccp.



I still can't take that being killed by folks willing to grief other folks is a mistake.

I think that is clear evidence of the institutionalized acceptance of griefing. Someone earlier said "This is not considered griefing" just that clear mental shift from what clearly *is* accepted griefing to not being considered griefing is something that is very hard (even for someone well aware of how psychotic EVE's accepted reality is) to readjust to.

There is no game like EVE, and no accepted player behavior as that in EVE. In any other game, the players involved would be chastised and as soon as they performed this act would be doing as much as they could before the GM's of that game came to rectify such obvious obstruction of fun. But in eve it's the player who complains that is obstructing the fun. The fault of the player who's hard work created an opportunity for others to exploit for their fun.

If it's hard for me to twist my mind to, imagine those who are unaccustomed. Imagine the uninitiated. Entering EVE for the first time must be like entering a sanitorium.


It's not griefing. It's a video game. Stuff is supposed to get blown up. This isn't real life.

I'm done with this thread, but OP, I'd sincerely ask you to go out and get some fresh air. You are way too sensitive over internet spaceships.

If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror.
Ghazu
#108 - 2012-09-03 02:40:20 UTC
christ op call a hotline or something.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#109 - 2012-09-03 02:42:49 UTC
Marked Prospectus wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Marked Prospectus wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Op. CCP held your hand while mining and still you failed. Please stop mining, you're giving us Miners a bad name.


I'm sorry, I'll go back to not playing EVE. No harm done.


I think many of us find this to be acceptable. You are not EVE material to begin with.

It's just irritating to encounter people with such a massive sense entitlement, so much so that he could make a VERY stupid mistake, find himself suffering the consequences of that mistake, then blame the game....for HIS mistake.

I guess some people need to do that to feel better, perhaps is a defense mechanism they use to protect their fragile egos. Whatever the case, if it gets the op and others like him to quit , well, mission accoomplished and well done ccp.



I still can't take that being killed by folks willing to grief other folks is a mistake.

I think that is clear evidence of the institutionalized acceptance of griefing. Someone earlier said "This is not considered griefing" just that clear mental shift from what clearly *is* accepted griefing to not being considered griefing is something that is very hard (even for someone well aware of how psychotic EVE's accepted reality is) to readjust to.

There is no game like EVE, and no accepted player behavior as that in EVE. In any other game, the players involved would be chastised and as soon as they performed this act would be doing as much as they could before the GM's of that game came to rectify such obvious obstruction of fun. But in eve it's the player who complains that is obstructing the fun. The fault of the player who's hard work created an opportunity for others to exploit for their fun.

If it's hard for me to twist my mind to, imagine those who are unaccustomed. Imagine the uninitiated. Entering EVE for the first time must be like entering a sanitorium.


You stated the truth; there is no game like Eve, and we do not want Eve to turn into every other game out there.

The mentality of Eve is not that bizarre; it is just nearly total Laissez Faire with lasting consequences for your decisions. When you view the macro spirit of Eve like that; ganking makes perfect sense, as does mining, trading, hauling, pirating, any of the professions in the game.

As a fairly new player (birthday is in April), I can say the uninitiated don't have too much to worry about; as long as they are willing to learn from their mistakes.

James315 for CSM 8!
Marked Prospectus
Doomheim
#110 - 2012-09-03 02:43:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Marked Prospectus
I have to seriously say.

It was a fun 5 hours.

I enjoyed it.

My wife enjoyed it.
--

On the con side:

My wife now believes it's "Her fault for leaving the station" no matter how much I try and convince her otherwise.

And I can't find a reason she should play anymore. (She won't PVP, refuses to utterly.)

I obviously care too much, but I hope at some point there will be a review of this behavior.

I had played long enough before leaving and coming back to accept this as normal, and be a part of the other side of the conversation. Coming back with new eyes, I see that there is no real consequence to "accepted" griefing.

I would have paid the Danegeld.
Marked Prospectus
Doomheim
#111 - 2012-09-03 02:46:55 UTC
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Marked Prospectus wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Marked Prospectus wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Op. CCP held your hand while mining and still you failed. Please stop mining, you're giving us Miners a bad name.


I'm sorry, I'll go back to not playing EVE. No harm done.


I think many of us find this to be acceptable. You are not EVE material to begin with.

It's just irritating to encounter people with such a massive sense entitlement, so much so that he could make a VERY stupid mistake, find himself suffering the consequences of that mistake, then blame the game....for HIS mistake.

I guess some people need to do that to feel better, perhaps is a defense mechanism they use to protect their fragile egos. Whatever the case, if it gets the op and others like him to quit , well, mission accoomplished and well done ccp.



I still can't take that being killed by folks willing to grief other folks is a mistake.

I think that is clear evidence of the institutionalized acceptance of griefing. Someone earlier said "This is not considered griefing" just that clear mental shift from what clearly *is* accepted griefing to not being considered griefing is something that is very hard (even for someone well aware of how psychotic EVE's accepted reality is) to readjust to.

There is no game like EVE, and no accepted player behavior as that in EVE. In any other game, the players involved would be chastised and as soon as they performed this act would be doing as much as they could before the GM's of that game came to rectify such obvious obstruction of fun. But in eve it's the player who complains that is obstructing the fun. The fault of the player who's hard work created an opportunity for others to exploit for their fun.

If it's hard for me to twist my mind to, imagine those who are unaccustomed. Imagine the uninitiated. Entering EVE for the first time must be like entering a sanitorium.


You stated the truth; there is no game like Eve, and we do not want Eve to turn into every other game out there.

The mentality of Eve is not that bizarre; it is just nearly total Laissez Faire with lasting consequences for your decisions. When you view the macro spirit of Eve like that; ganking makes perfect sense, as does mining, trading, hauling, pirating, any of the professions in the game.

As a fairly new player (birthday is in April), I can say the uninitiated don't have too much to worry about; as long as they are willing to learn from their mistakes.



Complete Laissez Faire would eventually weed out the unprovoked attacks on folks, there is no benefit to losing money. I would have considered a Danegeld. had I been given opportunity. This is the way it used to be done. Now folks just gank you for the heck of it. No chance. You are the sucker for dying.

There's no economic model for that. Though it meets the requirements for several psychopathies quite well.
Shogun Archer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2012-09-03 02:50:56 UTC



You are the true psychopath for blaming others for your own inadequecy.

If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#113 - 2012-09-03 02:51:30 UTC
Marked Prospectus wrote:
Complete Laissez Faire would eventually weed out the unprovoked attacks on folks, there is no benefit to losing money.
Sure there is. You're just incorrectly assuming that money is the only thing that has any value…
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#114 - 2012-09-03 02:54:45 UTC
I apologize that you got killed in high sec while afk. We will work out this issue of people needing to be at their computer to actually play a game. Thank you for the feedback.

As the thread has turned into a rant, I'm going to lock it now. Thank you to all the people who posted and encouraged the OP.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department