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Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#81 - 2012-09-03 01:37:07 UTC
Marked Prospectus wrote:
So if I'm to gather the public output appropriately:

It's expected that:

1. High sec miners will be ganked
2. They shouldn't be there to begin with
3. You need insurance in the form of becoming semi-casual and paying dues to a corporation
4. It's their fault for not being tough enough to survive an attack specifically designed to kill high sec miners


So if you happen to die. and you go to a guild with the common mentality that is being expressed here, wouldn't they just deny me help since I was dumb enough to die? Even though it would have taken longer than a warp cycle to escape. Even though had I escaped, my wife would have lost the same ship... and EVEN if I had done all the things people recommend here, the combined bank of my wife and myself would still have been out 200m, I'm still in the wrong for being a carebear?

In the best case scenario a mythical corporation that would be saddled with this loss, would have to back me (or my wife) to the tune of 200m isk?


This sick mentality is why there's no understanding of what's wrong; why there's only 40k players after ten years of this game being a great platform for PVP and why eve players, in general are regarded as huge trolls. Because we are.

I'm really just pissed off because you've driven my wife off the game and now I can't play anymore. I am fully willing to die a thousand more times in the name of battle, but I can't explain to my wife how being in a NON PVP zone means you can be forced to PVP.

So screw you griefers of all games, eve included, you have driven the female element from a game I wanted to co-op play with my wife yet again. I will go back to flying cov-ops and soloing folks in 0.0 space. To the real eve players, I salute you. To the rest, keep up with the HighSec is for ganking noobs justifications. It'll continue to go well in convincing the 30% of gamers who are married to find something else to do.




lol...there are no NON PVP zones...that is where you are not getting this...when you undock, you are consenting to PvP combat...

And if you can't play because your wife doesn't like getting ganked...does not sound like a healthy relationship...I don't know you so I'm not really judging...just saying, you may want to consider that...

James315 for CSM 8!
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#82 - 2012-09-03 01:37:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Yokai Mitsuhide
Skiff.
15k ore hold
100k ehp w/high resists
Has the yield of 3 lasers
Moves much quicker than all other barges/exhumers.

You should use it :)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#83 - 2012-09-03 01:37:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Marked Prospectus wrote:
This sick mentality is why there's no understanding of what's wrong; why there's only 40k players after ten years of this game being a great platform for PVP and why eve players, in general are regarded as huge trolls. Because we are.
Yes, I'd say that misstating the player count by an order of magnitude is pretty trollish.

Quote:
I can't explain to my wife how being in a NON PVP zone means you can be forced to PVP.
Explain it to her like this: you were in a PvP zone. If at some point someone told her that there is such a thing as “non PvP zones” in EVE, you need to explain to her that this person lied, because they don't exist in this game. You can be reasonably free of PvP in stations, but then only from the combat-form of PvP — the others are still in full effect (and if you're in a corp with in-space assets, those assets will happily take part in that kind of PvP in your absence, so not even stations are safe any more).

Quote:
So screw you griefers of all games, eve included
Griefing is a bannable offense in EVE, just so you know. What you're describing isn't griefing, though.

Oh, and the real EVE players are those who have shed the kind of illusions you're demonstrating here: they know EVE is full-PvP all the time; they know that cost is not a balancing factor so you can expect to lose a lot in the face of very little; and above all, they know to take precautions against this kind of careless and unnecessary risks.
Shogun Archer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2012-09-03 01:38:31 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD TYPE40
Marked Prospectus wrote:


This sick mentality is why there's no understanding of what's wrong; why there's only 40k players after ten years of this game being a great platform for PVP and why eve players, in general are regarded as huge trolls. Because we are.

I'm really just pissed off because you've driven my wife off the game and now I can't play anymore. I am fully willing to die a thousand more times in the name of battle, but I can't explain to my wife how being in a NON PVP zone means you can be forced to PVP.

So screw you griefers of all games, eve included, you have driven the female element from a game I wanted to co-op play with my wife yet again. I will go back to flying cov-ops and soloing folks in 0.0 space. To the real eve players, I salute you. To the rest, keep up with the HighSec is for ganking noobs justifications. It'll continue to go well in convincing the 30% of gamers who are married to find something else to do.




I honestly believe you have the sick menatlity. If it were up to you, the game would just be a nice safe magic rubber room with cops all over the place to make sure that you and your wife could mine on a Friday night. Talk about controlling behavior... that is absolutely sick and disgusting.

EDIT: Pardon the intrusion, FTFY Big smile - ISD Type40.

If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#85 - 2012-09-03 01:40:10 UTC
Marked Prospectus wrote:
Nope, but another perfect example of what I'm talking about. Can you find any more?

Shadow Cartel is pretty big on recording kills/losses. Show us on the doll where you were touched.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Marked Prospectus
Doomheim
#86 - 2012-09-03 01:40:24 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD TYPE40
Shogun Archer wrote:
Marked Prospectus wrote:
So if I'm to gather the public output appropriately:

It's expected that:

1. High sec miners will be ganked
2. They shouldn't be there to begin with
3. You need insurance in the form of becoming semi-casual and paying dues to a corporation
4. It's their fault for not being tough enough to survive an attack specifically designed to kill high sec miners


So if you happen to die. and you go to a guild with the common mentality that is being expressed here, wouldn't they just deny me help since I was dumb enough to die? Even though it would have taken longer than a warp cycle to escape. Even though had I escaped, my wife would have lost the same ship... and EVEN if I had done all the things people recommend here, the combined bank of my wife and myself would still have been out 200m, I'm still in the wrong for being a carebear?

In the best case scenario a mythical corporation that would be saddled with this loss, would have to back me (or my wife) to the tune of 200m isk?


This sick mentality is why there's no understanding of what's wrong; why there's only 40k players after ten years of this game being a great platform for PVP and why eve players, in general are regarded as huge trolls. Because we are.

I'm really just pissed off because you've driven my wife off the game and now I can't play anymore. I am fully willing to die a thousand more times in the name of battle, but I can't explain to my wife how being in a NON PVP zone means you can be forced to PVP.


So screw you griefers of all games, eve included, you have driven the female element from a game I wanted to co-op play with my wife yet again. I will go back to flying cov-ops and soloing folks in 0.0 space. To the real eve players, I salute you. To the rest, keep up with the HighSec is for ganking noobs justifications. It'll continue to go well in convincing the 30% of gamers who are married to find something else to do.




A. Yes, high sec miners can and will be killed. CCP has gpone a long way to make sure that if you have half a brain, you can stop it from happening.

B. They are more than welcome to be there. Who said high sec miners shouldn't be there? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

C. Nothing about Eve is casual. There are plenty of games that are though, go try them.

D. Yes it is their fault for not being "tough enough", or (god forbid, fitting a tank or not afking). It's most definitely their fault.

E. They aren't called guilds.


A. I obviously don't have half a brain, I had only been playing for 5 hours. I though half a decade worth of standard resists/skills would be enough. So wrong was I.

B. You're right. I think in as much as more targets are welcome on a target range they are welcome.

C. I beg to differ. Mining takes a minute for your lasers to cycle, you can only do so much every 60 second cycle. You get in the groove. You don't even have to move from a hold to a Jet can anymore! You just have to watch local, and the list. If solo-highsec mining isn't casual then there are some folks who are seriously multiboxing the hell out of eve and that's the norm.

*snip*

E. I do appologize, I called a corp a guild. I have commited the epic faux pas of eve. It's a corp.


EDIT: Comments like the one I snipped have no place in here. Do not use them, thank you - ISD Type40.
Shogun Archer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2012-09-03 01:44:01 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD TYPE40
Marked Prospectus wrote:
Shogun Archer wrote:
Marked Prospectus wrote:
So if I'm to gather the public output appropriately:

It's expected that:

1. High sec miners will be ganked
2. They shouldn't be there to begin with
3. You need insurance in the form of becoming semi-casual and paying dues to a corporation
4. It's their fault for not being tough enough to survive an attack specifically designed to kill high sec miners


So if you happen to die. and you go to a guild with the common mentality that is being expressed here, wouldn't they just deny me help since I was dumb enough to die? Even though it would have taken longer than a warp cycle to escape. Even though had I escaped, my wife would have lost the same ship... and EVEN if I had done all the things people recommend here, the combined bank of my wife and myself would still have been out 200m, I'm still in the wrong for being a carebear?

In the best case scenario a mythical corporation that would be saddled with this loss, would have to back me (or my wife) to the tune of 200m isk?


This sick mentality is why there's no understanding of what's wrong; why there's only 40k players after ten years of this game being a great platform for PVP and why eve players, in general are regarded as huge trolls. Because we are.

I'm really just pissed off because you've driven my wife off the game and now I can't play anymore. I am fully willing to die a thousand more times in the name of battle, but I can't explain to my wife how being in a NON PVP zone means you can be forced to PVP.


So screw you griefers of all games, eve included, you have driven the female element from a game I wanted to co-op play with my wife yet again. I will go back to flying cov-ops and soloing folks in 0.0 space. To the real eve players, I salute you. To the rest, keep up with the HighSec is for ganking noobs justifications. It'll continue to go well in convincing the 30% of gamers who are married to find something else to do.




A. Yes, high sec miners can and will be killed. CCP has gpone a long way to make sure that if you have half a brain, you can stop it from happening.

B. They are more than welcome to be there. Who said high sec miners shouldn't be there? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

C. Nothing about Eve is casual. There are plenty of games that are though, go try them.

D. Yes it is their fault for not being "tough enough", or (god forbid, fitting a tank or not afking). It's most definitely their fault.

E. They aren't called guilds.


A. I obviously don't have half a brain, I had only been playing for 5 hours. I though half a decade worth of standard resists/skills would be enough. So wrong was I.

B. You're right. I think in as much as more targets are welcome on a target range they are welcome.

C. I beg to differ. Mining takes a minute for your lasers to cycle, you can only do so much every 60 second cycle. You get in the groove. You don't even have to move from a hold to a Jet can anymore! You just have to watch local, and the list. If solo-highsec mining isn't casual then there are some folks who are seriously multiboxing the hell out of eve and that's the norm.

*snip*

E. I do appologize, I called a corp a guild. I have commited the epic faux pas of eve. It's a corp.


*snip*


"I obviously don't have half a brain, I had only been playing for 5 hours. I though half a decade worth of standard resists/skills would be enough. So wrong was I."

So, you are finally admitting it was your fault then? Good for you. I think we may be getting somewhere. The sweet smell of progress.


EDIT: Removed unwarranted real life analogy from quote and from your reply. That kind of thing has no place here - ISD Type40.

If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#88 - 2012-09-03 01:47:10 UTC
Marked Prospectus wrote:
My chars have been around since 2005, I get what eve is, but this is just pure nonsense.

I haven't really played in 3 years. I figured I'd go out and try some mining, hopped in my Mackinaw and started some mining. I made a few million isk selling to locals who were looking for veldspar. After about 5 hours I was ganked by a pirate gang. Not too surprising, but since this seems to be the thing to do, and I like to mine I'm not suprrised.

I appreciate the game as it is, but doing nothing but mining velspar and selling tritanium to people equates to losing 200m isk while I'm in the restroom... Well I get the appeal, it must be awesome to spend a few million to grief a dude and his wife. Good on you folks, and you've driven yet another ***** off the game, since I'm obviously too ***** to stick around and get griefed.

Immortalis you've driven away yet another longtime returnee.

Fit some tank. Old-style Mackinaws with mids full of Civilian Shield Boosters invite being ganked.

Don't AFK. Some gankers even post a warning in local they are coming, if they are only interested in AFK-ers and bots.

My first Hulk, of nearly 4 years, is still going.
Marked Prospectus
Doomheim
#89 - 2012-09-03 01:52:07 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Marked Prospectus wrote:
My chars have been around since 2005, I get what eve is, but this is just pure nonsense.

I haven't really played in 3 years. I figured I'd go out and try some mining, hopped in my Mackinaw and started some mining. I made a few million isk selling to locals who were looking for veldspar. After about 5 hours I was ganked by a pirate gang. Not too surprising, but since this seems to be the thing to do, and I like to mine I'm not suprrised.

I appreciate the game as it is, but doing nothing but mining velspar and selling tritanium to people equates to losing 200m isk while I'm in the restroom... Well I get the appeal, it must be awesome to spend a few million to grief a dude and his wife. Good on you folks, and you've driven yet another ***** off the game, since I'm obviously too ***** to stick around and get griefed.

Immortalis you've driven away yet another longtime returnee.

Fit some tank. Old-style Mackinaws with mids full of Civilian Shield Boosters invite being ganked.

Don't AFK. Some gankers even post a warning in local they are coming, if they are only interested in AFK-ers and bots.

My first Hulk, of nearly 4 years, is still going.


The fact that I did AFK should be a relatively small part of this. I let people know about it to give a timeline. If less than 30 seconds is acceptable to kill a miner, than I wouldn't have been able to get away. It's a non-sequitur.
Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#90 - 2012-09-03 01:54:21 UTC
Marked Prospectus wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Marked Prospectus wrote:
My chars have been around since 2005, I get what eve is, but this is just pure nonsense.

I haven't really played in 3 years. I figured I'd go out and try some mining, hopped in my Mackinaw and started some mining. I made a few million isk selling to locals who were looking for veldspar. After about 5 hours I was ganked by a pirate gang. Not too surprising, but since this seems to be the thing to do, and I like to mine I'm not suprrised.

I appreciate the game as it is, but doing nothing but mining velspar and selling tritanium to people equates to losing 200m isk while I'm in the restroom... Well I get the appeal, it must be awesome to spend a few million to grief a dude and his wife. Good on you folks, and you've driven yet another ***** off the game, since I'm obviously too ***** to stick around and get griefed.

Immortalis you've driven away yet another longtime returnee.

Fit some tank. Old-style Mackinaws with mids full of Civilian Shield Boosters invite being ganked.

Don't AFK. Some gankers even post a warning in local they are coming, if they are only interested in AFK-ers and bots.

My first Hulk, of nearly 4 years, is still going.


The fact that I did AFK should be a relatively small part of this. I let people know about it to give a timeline. If less than 30 seconds is acceptable to kill a miner, than I wouldn't have been able to get away. It's a non-sequitur.


You would have been able to get away had you learned how to protect yourself. Mine while aligned and webbed and problems solved. I can guarantee you will not get ganked again if you do that; you will literally be gone before they can lock on you.

You keep trying to claim it wasn't your fault, but there are actions you could have taken to prevent it. That does make your fault.

James315 for CSM 8!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#91 - 2012-09-03 02:00:26 UTC
Marked Prospectus wrote:
I leave because it's easier for me to play something else, than explain to my wife how there's loopholes in the tutorial explanation of High Sec space
Good thing that there is no loophole; that the the explanation of highsec does not say that there are any PvP-free zones (in fact, it rather says the opposite). I suppose those two lies on your part match up well with the third one about your wife…
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#92 - 2012-09-03 02:00:49 UTC
Vulix wrote:
You got owned and came onto the forums to cry about it, LOL

A+ trolling to whoever killed him AFK mining, which is against the ToS to begin with


Automated mining is against the ToS, leaving a module with a 3 minute cycle time on while you go pee is no and you're a disgrace to humanity if you're actually dumb enough to think it is.

You want to insult him for getting ganked while afk? Go right ahead. You want to try and act superior by spouting lies and utter BS? Get the hell out.
Methesda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#93 - 2012-09-03 02:03:49 UTC
Ahahaha, thanks for that OP!

That's was a great story - you lost your mining ship when you left it out in the open to go to the toilet.

Bwahahahaha!

Better luck next time ay? Lets hope the next alliance tournment makes good use of catheters!

Eve is about the journey.  If you are so focused on making money, that you insist on having the tools to make it be made as autonomous and easy as possible, then you are never going to have as much fun as I will.
Marked Prospectus
Doomheim
#94 - 2012-09-03 02:04:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Marked Prospectus
Karl Hobb wrote:
[quote=Marked Prospectus]My existence as a lowsec miner already has a hearty list of folks lined up to take advantage of me./quote]
Took you long enough. Now, let's watch this thread you've created devolve into comparisons between a video game and real life violence.

Thanks for shitting up GD.


Yeah I screwed that up pretty well. Being livid doesn't help, but alteast it explains my stupidity. I just can't believe how vigorously these folks are willing to defend this endorsed behavior of forcing people who don't want to participate in a fight with another live human being to fight. It's actually quite disturbing.

It's like trying to defend the Roman Colosseum's future existence. I just can't comprehend this.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#95 - 2012-09-03 02:07:37 UTC
Marked Prospectus wrote:
If one can't go to the restroom while mining then I'm sure ya'll have had plenty of ToS violations waiting for Battleship rats to get killed while taking a ****. It's a matter of cost vs reward. If it only costs 20m to destroy 200m then it's a loss to reality.


Unless the 20m is in WARSHIP and the 200 mil is in NON-WARSHIP.

I once shot a $30,000 car with a $1000 rifle, I feel so ashamed.
ISD TYPE40
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#96 - 2012-09-03 02:07:40 UTC
This thread has been moderated. I have had to remove numerous remarks with people using horrific real life situations as analogies for the behaviour of players in the game. This will not be tolerated. If you cannot hold a discussion on a topic without resorting to such comments then respectfully I suggest you do not post at all.

These forums are frequented by many kinds of people from all walks of life, and to see such things tossed around in such a derogatory manner is offensive. I ask you nicely, please stick to the topic at hand in future or I will have no option but to lock this thread - ISD Type40.

[b]ISD Type40 Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department[/b]
Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#97 - 2012-09-03 02:15:05 UTC
Marked Prospectus wrote:
Karl Hobb wrote:
[quote=Marked Prospectus]My existence as a lowsec miner already has a hearty list of folks lined up to take advantage of me./quote]
Took you long enough. Now, let's watch this thread you've created devolve into comparisons between a video game and real life violence.

Thanks for shitting up GD.


Yeah I screwed that up pretty well. Being livid doesn't help, but alteast it explains my stupidity. I just can't believe how vigorously these folks are willing to defend this endorsed behavior of forcing people who don't want to participate in a fight with another live human being to fight. It's actually quite disturbing.

It's like trying to defend the Roman Colosseum's future existence. I just can't comprehend this.


Because it is part of the core nature of this game.

This is not supposed to be everyone hold hands and have a happy fun time; it is supposed to be cold and hard. One developer said you should be a little angry when you sign into Eve.

We get angry and defend it because every papercut of a nerf to those playstyles you abhor add up to eventually kill the core nature of the game. Everytime they prevent a style of play, that is killing what this game is about; including ganking.

Scrubs that whine about in game actions and don't do anything to prevent it in game will be the death of this great game; so you are in effect trying to kill what is Eve when you make these threads.

That is why Eve players will tell you to leave and just go play something else. We'd rather have one less player, then one more player who is just going to try and change thte game. We do not want our game ruined to appeal to people that don't understand it in the first place.

James315 for CSM 8!
Methesda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#98 - 2012-09-03 02:18:27 UTC
Abel Merkabah wrote:


That is why Eve players will tell you to leave and just go play something else. We'd rather have one less player, then one more player who is just going to try and change thte game. We do not want our game ruined to appeal to people that don't understand it in the first place.


Agree wholeheartedly. I find it hard, that even as a returner, the OP was not aware of the possibility of this happening.

In that case, I'd advise the OP to admit they made a mistake (leaving their game unmonitored in a vulnerable state), and move on.

Eve is about the journey.  If you are so focused on making money, that you insist on having the tools to make it be made as autonomous and easy as possible, then you are never going to have as much fun as I will.
Shogun Archer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2012-09-03 02:19:06 UTC
Bravo Abel. I think that was what I have been trying to say the entire time. Actually coming into a game half hearted after years of inactivity, doing it wrong and THEN complaining and rallying to change the game that the people that play it love...

And OP has the gall to call gankers twisted and sick?

If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror.
Marked Prospectus
Doomheim
#100 - 2012-09-03 02:19:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Marked Prospectus
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Marked Prospectus wrote:
Karl Hobb wrote:
[quote=Marked Prospectus]My existence as a lowsec miner already has a hearty list of folks lined up to take advantage of me./quote]
Took you long enough. Now, let's watch this thread you've created devolve into comparisons between a video game and real life violence.

Thanks for shitting up GD.


Yeah I screwed that up pretty well. Being livid doesn't help, but alteast it explains my stupidity. I just can't believe how vigorously these folks are willing to defend this endorsed behavior of forcing people who don't want to participate in a fight with another live human being to fight. It's actually quite disturbing.

It's like trying to defend the Roman Colosseum's future existence. I just can't comprehend this.


Because it is part of the core nature of this game.

This is not supposed to be everyone hold hands and have a happy fun time; it is supposed to be cold and hard. One developer said you should be a little angry when you sign into Eve.

We get angry and defend it because every papercut of a nerf to those playstyles you abhor add up to eventually kill the core nature of the game. Everytime they prevent a style of play, that is killing what this game is about; including ganking.

Scrubs that whine about in game actions and don't do anything to prevent it in game will be the death of this great game; so you are in effect trying to kill what is Eve when you make these threads.

That is why Eve players will tell you to leave and just go play something else. We'd rather have one less player, then one more player who is just going to try and change thte game. We do not want our game ruined to appeal to people that don't understand it in the first place.



I'll use this thread as an example for future Eve players everywhere. I appreciate all who participated. It's actually a bit of a relief that this sort of design consideration is expected. Future eve players who read reviews will be made aware immediately if I can have any input into future MMO articles involving this game.

Steadfast, Proud, and Experienced at Eve Online. These are the requirements to play EVE. And if you are not any of those things, don't bother playing. Not even in the least risky of enterprises, in the most protected space the game has to offer. You're just not cut out for it.