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Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#1 - 2012-08-31 23:11:33 UTC
I was thinking the Talos would be a nice cadet because the size of the cargo expandableI with rigs and cargo expanders the osprey really can't cut it with cpu and turret issue so Talos seems like a viable options or do you think a thorax would be better (cost less for sure).
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#2 - 2012-08-31 23:32:03 UTC
IIRC the ferox does very well as a cost effective gas miner. Has just enough turrets and plenty of CPU.

thhief ghabmoef
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#3 - 2012-09-01 04:45:58 UTC
humm, I'd lose cargo space but it is viable.
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#4 - 2012-09-02 01:15:50 UTC
just for your info, I settled on a cruiser hull, gallente exquisiter, with cargo expanders , and cargo optimization rigs I get about 2641 m3 in cargo space so you're hi sec gas clouds are about 500 units per cloud 2 are the normal so a total of 1000 units and for the setup I have that's 4 trips only drawback is having 4 harvesters otherwise it works well and is cheaper then other ships I've priced + if you want to explore a WH for clouds if you lose it...ehhh no great loss. plus WH gas takes less space so 2641 m3 will net you mucho pesos amigo. Big smile
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-09-02 01:24:13 UTC
Piugattuk wrote:
just for your info, I settled on a cruiser hull, gallente exquisiter, with cargo expanders , and cargo optimization rigs I get about 2641 m3 in cargo space so you're hi sec gas clouds are about 500 units per cloud 2 are the normal so a total of 1000 units and for the setup I have that's 4 trips only drawback is having 4 harvesters otherwise it works well and is cheaper then other ships I've priced + if you want to explore a WH for clouds if you lose it...ehhh no great loss. plus WH gas takes less space so 2641 m3 will net you mucho pesos amigo. Big smile


Waste. Losing 20% of your speed without 5 harvesters. If its high sec anyhow, just jetcan and then come back once with a hauler to pick up.

Even more important in wormholes since the longer you linger the greater the risk.

In whs my gas harvesters are a moa and thorax.

If you keep them in rigged, you can repackage and fit everything in the hauler you would use to pick up the gas. Fly to system, dock, assemble ship. Get gas. Pick up, repackage and haul everything away.
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#6 - 2012-09-02 01:39:35 UTC
true enough, but as a point the reason I won't jetcan is the asshats in game might just show up and all that time harvesting is lost, so for me no jetcan no asshats wasting my time.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-09-02 02:43:52 UTC
Piugattuk wrote:
true enough, but as a point the reason I won't jetcan is the asshats in game might just show up and all that time harvesting is lost, so for me no jetcan no asshats wasting my time.



Fair enough. I have only found 1 HS ladar site so I have little experience with them, so don't know the likelyhood of a can flipper in that situation.
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#8 - 2012-09-02 02:58:53 UTC
TBH, it is not likely but I'm one for putting up as many layers as I can so I can make it as unworthwhile for them, their dissatisfaction is my goal.
Skorpynekomimi
#9 - 2012-09-02 07:59:20 UTC
IIRC, the usual choice in a wormhole is a 'Cane. Lots of turret slots, low slots for cargo expanders, and mid slots for tank.

Economic PVP
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#10 - 2012-09-02 18:33:49 UTC
yeah but the cane is worth lots more above exquisitor.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#11 - 2012-09-02 19:49:14 UTC
This is what I used in w-space:

[Ferox, Gas Harvester]
Co-Processor II
'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I
'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I
Damage Control II

Large Shield Extender II
Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Hornet EC-300 x5



[Ferox, Gas Command]
Caldari Navy Co-Processor
'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I
'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I
Damage Control II

Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
EM Ward Amplifier II
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II

[empty high slot]
Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Hornet EC-300 x5
Postitute
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-09-02 20:59:18 UTC
I used to gas mine in low sec. I think I used a Moa (cheap and effective) and I jet canned everything and hauled with a t1 hauler. You're in a hidden site so you should be getting a lot less visitors. Maybe keep an eye on d scan. Stop jet canning and go back to just the cruiser if your can gets flipped
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#13 - 2012-09-02 23:10:02 UTC
can anybody confirm whether or not wormhole gas takes up less space, to be honest I would feel safer in a WH then in low sec. Pirate With all that c h t Floating about.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-09-03 00:28:04 UTC
out of curiosity, what's an average hisec ladar site worth and how fast can you grind it down?

I should buy an Ishtar.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-09-03 00:33:09 UTC
Piugattuk wrote:
can anybody confirm whether or not wormhole gas takes up less space, to be honest I would feel safer in a WH then in low sec. Pirate With all that c h t Floating about.



WH ladar gas varies. It can be anywhere from 1m3 per untit up to 10m3 per unit if I remember correctly.

There isn't any ladar site I have ever done that can fit in a non hauler hold. Which is why I go for max extraction vs max cargo. I lowsec or WH the time in the site is critical. The faster you can harvest and get out the safer you are.
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#16 - 2012-09-03 07:23:02 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
out of curiosity, what's an average hisec ladar site worth and how fast can you grind it down?


the gas tends to be 2 clouds @ 500 units per cloud at current prices I got about 4.5 million isk and it took longer than ice mining BUT I did it just because nothing more nothing less, WH gas can net you mucho isk'ies but the risk is obvious. it took me about 1.25 hrs to mine the gas but at the time I was running 3 harvesters.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-09-03 08:41:02 UTC
Piugattuk wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
out of curiosity, what's an average hisec ladar site worth and how fast can you grind it down?


the gas tends to be 2 clouds @ 500 units per cloud at current prices I got about 4.5 million isk and it took longer than ice mining BUT I did it just because nothing more nothing less, WH gas can net you mucho isk'ies but the risk is obvious. it took me about 1.25 hrs to mine the gas but at the time I was running 3 harvesters.


It's all relative. The last C3 ladar site I had yielded 28mil in gas. But it was also 15,000m3 of gas. So even with 5 t2 harvesters you are looking at 100 minutes not including hauling etc.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#18 - 2012-09-03 08:54:36 UTC
It also depends if you do both gases; in WH's you get one which is worth something, and one which is worth nothing. So you high-grade the bejeezus out of ladars.

Hisec, yeah, 5M for an hour = just get a gas Ferox and get it done faster. The likelihood of someone actually probing into your ladar is very close to zero; for them to then come along in a hauler (after reshipping) to nick your stuff is even lower.

~~ Localectomy Blog ~~
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#19 - 2012-09-03 14:59:17 UTC
Yeah, that's the beauty of hi sec gas, not many care about it, won't waste much time for little return.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-09-03 15:00:09 UTC
Piugattuk wrote:
Yeah, that's the beauty of hi sec gas, not many care about it, won't waste much time for little return.

that's also the beauty of fat ugly chicks.

I should buy an Ishtar.
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