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CCP Devs: What's the Reasoning Behind the Recent Wardec Rule Changes?

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Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#41 - 2011-10-14 09:59:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Karim alRashid
Jada Maroo wrote:
Karim alRashid wrote:

Maybe you should, I dunno, get some knowledge of the game?



Cry moar, Habib.


I don't see me crying, in fact I see you crying and whining and wailing and not even knowing implications of wardecs on the gameplay in lowsec.

BTW, do you even know what "Habib" means? We're not that close. Twisted

PS. Still insisting that ship's purpose is determined by the ship's name? LolLolLol

Pain is weakness leaving the body http://www.youtube.com/user/AlRashidKarim/videos

Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2011-10-14 10:07:25 UTC
Wow, you suffer from some serious butthurt. No wonder you're a 4 year old toon and no one wants you in their corp.

An yep, know what it means. Had the displeasure of living in that area of the world for a while. It's called sarcasm. Derp.
Lyrrashae
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2011-10-14 10:15:03 UTC
Fix Lag wrote:
Jada Maroo wrote:
Wardecs only matter in high sec.

Maybe you should, I dunno, live somewhere else.


I can't hear you over the sound of me grinding TCUs in Delve


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Stop posting, please, kthxbai.

Ni.

The Apostle
Doomheim
#44 - 2011-10-14 11:10:53 UTC
Fix Lag?

It has. It's gonna be called "Time Dilation"

New alt needed... This one is ****** anyway Twisted

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Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#45 - 2011-10-14 11:17:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Karim alRashid
Jada Maroo wrote:
Wow, you suffer from some serious butthurt. No wonder you're a 4 year old toon and no one wants you in their corp.


Oh the irony, apparently you're so mad that you don't even realize how pathetic you look with such petty insults and desperate attempts at a burn that you pull out of your ass. LolLolLol

Of course, I'm not gonna join a corp just to ~prove~ something to your insignificant persona.

PS. It's very funny when a talk about how someone is not wanted in any corp, comes from the powerhouses that are BRABODEN Alliance and the Mysterium Astrometrics corporation. LolLolLol

Quote:

An yep, know what it means. Had the displeasure of living in that area of the world for a while. It's called sarcasm. Derp.


Translation: Just looked it up in Wikipedia. LolLolLol

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Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#46 - 2011-10-14 12:23:06 UTC
Here's how I see it happening.

CCP is recognizing that there is indeed a significant number of users that prefer a safer environment for their gameplay. Yes, Eve's meant to have a degree of danger no matter where you are, but many new users are put off my not fully understanding this, putting most or all of their isk in their first mining barge then having it all blown away. Many quit because of this. Yes, let's admit it, there's a lot of carebears out there and their cash is as good as ours. So, CCP is making high sec a little safer for those people in efforts to retain and draw a larger base of players. Hell... look at the most recent "afk cloaker" megathread... people in there are crying to have cloaking broken so they can be safer even in null space.

Hopefully CCP will draw the line, though, when it comes to making an area safer and retaining the dangerous aspects of Eve at the borders of high sec. I may not completely agree with making high safer, but I can understand why... however to make low/null/wormholes safer really will take away a vital core part of the game... it'll be a dagger in the very heart of Eve.

So, if my advice was worth a damn I'd say this... let it go. Let high sec have a little more safety. In the long run, it may result in someone playing longer that decides it's time to really get out there and experience the "real" Eve.

Six months in the hole... it changes a man.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#47 - 2011-10-14 13:32:20 UTC
Ingvar Angst wrote:
So, if my advice was worth a damn I'd say this... let it go. Let high sec have a little more safety. In the long run, it may result in someone playing longer that decides it's time to really get out there and experience the "real" Eve.
The problem is that it is not “a little more safety” — it's complete safety for any and all corp assets in highsec space. POSes can no longer be removed. S&I can no longer be disrupted or interdicted.

…and that's nice, I suppose, in a “completely break the market” kind of way.
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#48 - 2011-10-14 15:02:54 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Ingvar Angst wrote:
So, if my advice was worth a damn I'd say this... let it go. Let high sec have a little more safety. In the long run, it may result in someone playing longer that decides it's time to really get out there and experience the "real" Eve.
The problem is that it is not “a little more safety” — it's complete safety for any and all corp assets in highsec space. POSes can no longer be removed. S&I can no longer be disrupted or interdicted.

…and that's nice, I suppose, in a “completely break the market” kind of way.


I know, I know... it's definitely not ideal, just trying to think on a broader scope what may be being thought at the higher levels.

It would be interesting to allow a corp in an alliance to be wardec'd specifically, and having that dec follow the corp whether they stay in the alliance or not. Of course... then you have to consider the mechanics... if I dec Corp X specifically in Alliance Y, the dec should affect the whole alliance (so they can defend their corp) yet if that corp leaves the dec follows them and remains active. If the dec'd corp leaves the alliance the alliance would be "off the hook"... could add an interesting mechanic to the game perhaps?

Hmm... this could use fleshing out, what do you think?

Six months in the hole... it changes a man.

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#49 - 2011-10-14 15:21:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
I have a catchy name, this is no a fourum alt its my main, my reputation rides on this character both in fourum and in space yet I dont get wardecs. Then agian I cannot afford to pvp at the moment.

Aside from that can you specifically describe the old rules and new rules for us little bit less informed?

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#50 - 2011-10-14 15:22:29 UTC
Meh… I think I'm going to set up a wardec-shedding alliance that people can join and leave for a nominal fee.

If they're going to be stupid about it, one might as well try to turn a buck from it.

Only problem is that by the time I've trained the skills, someone else will have done the same (and I can't exactly wardec them to get rid of the competition either… Lol)
Igualmentedos
Perkone
Caldari State
#51 - 2011-10-14 15:29:11 UTC
Fix Lag wrote:
ACE McFACE wrote:
Even if everyone in RvB only flew frigates that would mean theres a lot of fair fights as its not Domi v Frigate but rather Frigates v Frigates.



when the hell did this thread become a thread about fair fights in EVE


because those don't exist, you see, and if you think they do then you are playing the wrong game.



So why is it okay for "leet PvPers" to prey on the weak players (UNFAIRLY), but it's not okay for these same "noobs" to fight back any way they can?

Why is it okay for you to be unfair, but the second the carebears get smart and realize they can get away from your wardecs you all of sudden scream how unfair it is?

Eve is not fair. That's all there is to it. If a carebear makes it really hard for you to kill him then that's perfectly okay, as long as hes not abusing any game mechanics.
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2011-10-14 15:52:24 UTC
For the record, to declare so many wardecs on yourself from shell corporations is going to cost isk submitted to CONCORD. Its going to cost more to buy safer safety in highsec, thats an isk sink right there. Not a great reason, but a good enough one not to complain loudly. As for bashing POS...do you really want to do it that bad? Shocked And there are plenty of other areas to shoot people, this might be CCP's way of saying "GTFO HIGHSEC!" cause you too are surrounded in perfect safety while your complaining your target's price is insane Roll
Poetic Stanzitroll
Doomheim
#53 - 2011-10-14 15:57:05 UTC
Fix Lag wrote:
IDGAF about not being able to kill highsec people per se. I care that this change was made specifically to benefit one particular group who have been named by Ripard Teg already and that CCP is playing favorites again.


And I don't think it needs be mentioned who that *cough* UNI *cough* group is.


Fix Lag wrote:
when the hell did this thread become a thread about fair fights in EVE

because those don't exist, you see, and if you think they do then you are playing the wrong game.


Exactly. There is nothing fair about alliances using Dec-Shield to avoid fights... or... wait. I'm confused.

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Rhaegor Stormborn
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2011-10-14 16:18:06 UTC
The game's mechanics are its rules. Abitrary words posted on an internet forum which are to be manually enforced by incompetent GMs are not how game rules are best implemented.

Either code it into the game mechanics, or allow it to occur naturally.
Calvaire Democriaties
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#55 - 2011-10-14 16:25:46 UTC
GOD you are all so sad Evil
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2011-10-14 16:31:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Jada Maroo
Karim alRashid wrote:
Jada Maroo wrote:
Wow, you suffer from some serious butthurt. No wonder you're a 4 year old toon and no one wants you in their corp.


Oh the irony, apparently you're so mad that you don't even realize how pathetic you look with such petty insults and desperate attempts at a burn that you pull out of your ass. LolLolLol

Of course, I'm not gonna join a corp just to ~prove~ something to your insignificant persona.

PS. It's very funny when a talk about how someone is not wanted in any corp, comes from the powerhouses that are BRABODEN Alliance and the Mysterium Astrometrics corporation. LolLolLol

Quote:

An yep, know what it means. Had the displeasure of living in that area of the world for a while. It's called sarcasm. Derp.


Translation: Just looked it up in Wikipedia. LolLolLol


He mad, bro.

The uncomfortable use of excessive smilies is proportional to the amount of butthurt. I can almost see his pale little nerd-hands shaking in rage.
Calvaire Democriaties
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#57 - 2011-10-14 16:35:31 UTC
P.S. - I wish life was 'fair' too Big smile
Graelyn
Tzedakah
The Rogue Consortium
#58 - 2011-10-14 16:38:58 UTC
Quote:
Remember the Aurora program? You probably don't, because it was shut down years ago after evidence of CCP favoritism when distributing rewards surfaced.


That is not what the AURORA debacle was about.

At all.

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113

Tamiya Sarossa
Resistance is Character Forming
#59 - 2011-10-14 16:43:28 UTC
To be fair, it's rather a double standard that high sec aggressors frequently use convoluted and hard to understand mechanics to bring PvP to those trying to avoid it - see aggro extension with mission ganking, etc. - and then turn around and cry foul when equally convoluted and ridiculous mechanics are used to avoid it.

Do wardec mechanics need a revision? Yes. Is it bad that GM's have decided to let the current system stand alone on its merits or lack thereof? Not particularly.

I was once in a Merc corp that was hired to remove some Poses- when the corp owning them dropped from alliance we sat there extending aggro on it by shooting mods for six hours after the dec dropped on them until it came out of reinforced, and killed the POS anyway. Where there's a will, there's a way - yes, wardec mechanics need a look, but this is far from the end-of-the-world situation it's being made out to be.
Written Word
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#60 - 2011-10-14 16:52:46 UTC
I have a man on the inside, he told me this.

They have a special coin. If any GM finds a situation where just copy pasting "Go f off, the logs show nothing" may not be the complete answer, they flip said coin. One side says copy paste anyways, and one side says tell the customer its legit. An incredibly useful system with only one drawback. They lose this coin a lot and the whole department has to drop what they are doing and locate this coin again.

Well the metrics came back, the GMs discovered the people ruling on wardecs lose this coin the most. Since there is only one coin and its a massive setback if its lost, changing the rules to always answer yes its legit makes the workplace a more productive place for everybody.