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The reality - miners make 60+m isk per hour of gameplay
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Rita May
State War Academy
Caldari State
#61 - 2012-09-02 10:44:07 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
*snip*
.... If you were in a race, you'd be losing.


As much as I agree on most of the points why there are some "flaws" in the way OP uses math, but:
This is, lucky me, still a GAME which I PLAY for MY amusement.
If you need to establish a virtual contest to have fun in a game - your call, i don't need it.

cu
serras bang
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#62 - 2012-09-02 13:54:56 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
I was doing some basic timing using a stopwatch, and discovered that I spent about 10 minutes per hour of mining, actively doing something in the game. This would be stuff like locking an asteroid, moving cargo, warping, etc.

The other 50 mins was spent semi-afk doing homework on a second monitor.

I mine around 10m isk per hour in my Retriever. So for every active minute I spent in-game, I earnt 1m isk. So for every 60 minutes of "active" mining, I make 60m isk.

So I can say that I make 60m isk per hour from mining.

Pretty neat, eh? Can mission runners boast the same thing?


im afraid your figures are a bit wrong mate i aint maxxed skill but decided to take me ret out for some good old mining with 2 mining upgrades witch i can fit now and now rigs (ok maybe my failing) over the hour i only made about 13 - 16 mill less that i would make before the changes even though the changes improved me ret and i was mining what i would normaly min pyro only.
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#63 - 2012-09-02 14:30:00 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:


Next time use far less stupid examples when trying to make a point and just get right to the point. You "actively" wasted far to much of my time.


My original post is only 7 lines long. I will post a warning for dyslexics next time.
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#64 - 2012-09-02 14:33:27 UTC
Marcus McTavish wrote:

You can not skip those 50 minutes in between! Not unless you have a Time Machine, which going by your train of thought, we can dismiss.


I never said you can skip 50 minutes.

10 minutes = time spent actively playing
50 minutes = semi-AFK

For every 10 minutes actively playing = 10 million isk
celebro
Ember Inc.
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#65 - 2012-09-02 15:44:22 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
Marcus McTavish wrote:

You can not skip those 50 minutes in between! Not unless you have a Time Machine, which going by your train of thought, we can dismiss.


I never said you can skip 50 minutes.

10 minutes = time spent actively playing
50 minutes = semi-AFK

For every 10 minutes actively playing = 10 million isk



If only CCP charged for 'time spent actively playing' Big smile
Matarella
Incognito Mode
Brotherhood of Spacers
#66 - 2012-09-02 15:53:53 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
Marcus McTavish wrote:

You can not skip those 50 minutes in between! Not unless you have a Time Machine, which going by your train of thought, we can dismiss.


I never said you can skip 50 minutes.

10 minutes = time spent actively playing
50 minutes = semi-AFK

For every 10 minutes actively playing = 10 million isk


Thats means my hourly income ratting is 80-90 mil isk
Marcus McTavish
Volcel Police
#67 - 2012-09-03 01:21:01 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
Marcus McTavish wrote:

You can not skip those 50 minutes in between! Not unless you have a Time Machine, which going by your train of thought, we can dismiss.


I never said you can skip 50 minutes.

10 minutes = time spent actively playing
50 minutes = semi-AFK

For every 10 minutes actively playing = 10 million isk


This is your title: The reality - miners make 60+m isk per hour of gameplay

Umm... How about ..... you are really not listening.

Congratz you discovered the only sane way to mine, AFK. You are not a genius. You only make 10 million per hour.

You could be active 5 seconds per hour, its still 10 million per hour.

I DONT GET HOW YOU ARE NOT GETTING THIS.

You are saying, meh i was not active, so it does not count.
1. See all my posts in this thread.
2. Disagree, goto 1, until you get it

Congtaz, you made 10 million from the 10 minutes of active play and 50 minutes of inactive play.

I dont know how else to put it.

You are just taking the 50 minutes out of the time factor. I wish killboards worked like this, we would all be high 90's
Hypercake Mix
#68 - 2012-09-03 14:38:37 UTC
Yield per unit of effort.

lol.
Doddy
Excidium.
#69 - 2012-09-04 15:42:32 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
I was doing some basic timing using a stopwatch, and discovered that I spent about 10 minutes per hour of mining, actively doing something in the game. This would be stuff like locking an asteroid, moving cargo, warping, etc.

The other 50 mins was spent semi-afk doing homework on a second monitor.

I mine around 10m isk per hour in my Retriever. So for every active minute I spent in-game, I earnt 1m isk. So for every 60 minutes of "active" mining, I make 60m isk.

So I can say that I make 60m isk per hour from mining.

Pretty neat, eh? Can mission runners boast the same thing?


Kinda pathetic compared to what an afk rattler or domi can do afk if you want to count it the same way (50 mil an hour plus with possibly less time actually atk depending on mission).
qDoctor Strangelove
Doomheim
#70 - 2012-09-04 17:11:08 UTC
I had to work 4 hours of overtime here last sunday.

I get 100% overtime bonus then, so, that is the same as 8 hours of normal work, in $$$ that is,
SO,

Hour rate $40 x 4 hours X 2 / 35 USD / ETC .. = 9 ETC = about... 9 billion isk.. - taxes. Now, tax is 49.2% on overtime, so, I got about 1 billion isk an hour... NOT mining.
Elsbeth Taron
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2012-11-13 07:53:51 UTC
Please lock this thread so these losers can crawl back into their dark tunnels. All these attempts to appear intellectual have become laughable.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#72 - 2012-11-13 07:55:16 UTC
Elsbeth Taron wrote:
Please lock this thread so these losers can crawl back into their dark tunnels. All these attempts to appear intellectual have become laughable.


And rezzing a 2 month old thread prove you are just as stupid...
TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2012-11-13 09:43:04 UTC
It's really nice to try to justify your mining career like that... but at the end of the day (or month) you're still poor.

...

Herr Hammer Draken
#74 - 2012-11-13 12:52:38 UTC
I think I fianally figured out why this always becomes such an issue. The miners income I mean. Because their income is dynamic generated according to inflation in the game.

Mission running is fixed and set by the devs.

Industry income is again dynamic and generated by the current economy.

However players in eve are free to switch between careers. And that should become a stabilizing force in eve.
As the saying goes the cure for high prices are the high prices.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#75 - 2012-11-13 15:10:07 UTC
<----- Carebear no more!
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#76 - 2012-11-13 17:31:36 UTC
TheSkeptic wrote:
It's really nice to try to justify your mining career like that... but at the end of the day (or month) you're still poor.



Yup. I'm exactly at 4 Billion ISK poor atm. Mining, PI, and Fuel Blocks. Roll

GD is still apparently chock-full of rude Trolls.

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LuckyQuarter
Eden Dominion Coalition
Scary Wormhole People
#77 - 2012-11-13 19:05:38 UTC
1M isk/minute while at the keyboard is pretty reasonable. That is about what I make piloting a tanked orca between trade hubs and checking for region pricing discrepancies. And, I find the fun of that much more of an incentive to login and play eve than mining. So I'm fine with miners making that given how boring the work actually is.

If there is any concern, it is for those miners that are primarily AFK (primarily macks) and bots. Only way to resolve that would be to decrease tank of mack (unlikely act by CCP), but then those that are AFK will eventually lose a ship anyway....
Celestis Kudzu
Elliss
#78 - 2012-11-13 20:39:49 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
I was doing some basic timing using a stopwatch, and discovered that I spent about 10 minutes per hour of mining, actively doing something in the game. This would be stuff like locking an asteroid, moving cargo, warping, etc.

The other 50 mins was spent semi-afk doing homework on a second monitor.

I mine around 10m isk per hour in my Retriever. So for every active minute I spent in-game, I earnt 1m isk. So for every 60 minutes of "active" mining, I make 60m isk.

So I can say that I make 60m isk per hour from mining.

Pretty neat, eh? Can mission runners boast the same thing?


week ago i spend 15s setting sell order, i make 26m... so i can make about 6,2b per hour, who care about minersBig smile
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#79 - 2012-11-14 21:45:14 UTC
This site has in the upper right corner something called "Mining timer". You set it to one second or so longer than your mining cycle and start it up. It rings every time cycle, reminding you to look at the screen to restart the lasers on the next rock.

The entire "10 mil/hr clock time, 60 mil/hr of keyboard time" rests on the assumption you got a task you can do at the same time you are on eve, and that task can be interrupted every 3 minutes without becoming rubbish.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#80 - 2012-11-16 16:01:38 UTC
#1%?

All that isk...imagine paying grief fleets to gank bumpers with some of that isk Shocked

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