EVE General Discussion

eh true but we didn't show till the end. a carrier and maybe a couple drakes were shooting at them for a good while. and i never got in close enough to test out my 1800dps domi :P. then one of the rane guys had an overview issue and started shooting us and took too long to figure it out. does it need a nurf or is it too OP i don't think so. in my opinion armor reps are underpowered in the firstplace. ASB is just a fix in the long list of fixes to active tanks that ccp is going to make.

oh and i've been in that realm with active tank myrm with logi support. very interesting to see how well you can tank with dual armor reps and 2 scimis shield repping you against an equal sized fleet. If you are dying slowly means you can get the logi to keep you up. yes scimis but i was too lazy to shield fit it and i liked the active tank for ganking fleets. they go ooh he's all alone and his fleet is 30 au away. we can kill that! .... nope.

It's funny because instead of having many local tanks, you can have buffer tanks and a bunch of logis that together can rep more than a couple of ASBs.

Especially with fleets that use alpha-based tricks, ASBs probably wouldn't like projectile winmatar arty-on-everything attacks.

I actually wonder how many say tornados you need to blast an ASBed ship. to EFT ~

After all, there was that thread a while ago that claimed a small gang with Tornados could kill most things and that they needed a nerf etc etc. Probably because the person got popped, wonder if he was also using an ASB fit.

the reason they worked in the AT so effectively was the time limit, even in small engagements they can be killed fairly easily, http://pizza.evegank.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=4926 the fight was actallu just our 5 drakes and the hyena against the three cs, theyd been in there shooting stuff earlier and mucked up our kb. That said when can I start using my AAR?

-edit ope the link in a new tab, it's doing that no kill id dealy again if you just click on it

Abso was later in the night while i was drunk, lost it to the drake and talos, that fight was just the drakes and hyena vs the sleip, claymore, and astarte, we arrived in system after they'd been fighting some other people and they pounced down to us after we jumped in, anything that isn't SLAPD in the report wasn't in the fight we had. If you look at the time between kills it didn't really take all that long.

Here's how I see it in a nut shell:

ASB (dual set-up) is over-powered for skirmish PvP.

Active tanking small ships is useless for any kind of fleet battle (N/A).

Solution: remove the ability to apply multiple ASB's to a ship.

Result: ASB has its purpose in small gang PvP where it can extend the life span of some ships (until it needs to reload) without allowing the ship to be effectively invincible. Active shield tanking will be useless in fleet battles which it was anyway - nothing changed.

Hm, when you put it that way... It wouldn't be good for small-scale pvp to end up with "ASB, let's just go."

Its a problem because its ENCOURAGES the blobs, as the only way to kill them is out DPS it or alpha it, both of which requires having much larger numbers.

It effectively kills solo PVP, which isnt a problem since this is an MMO, but it also kills SMALL gangs, which are a lot of fun.

This ^^ +1

Except that CCP has already said the ASB is too powerful. That's usually a sign for "We're going to nerf it" in some way. There's so many ways that could go that I'm not even going to try to guess how it'll go down. It could be really minor... it could be really major. Either way I suspect we'll see armor changes at the same time.

-Liang