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Two Mackinaws vs Hulk and Orca?
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Corvus Borealis
AUS-BadBadNotGood
#1 - 2012-08-31 08:32:47 UTC
Mackinaws win?
William Walker
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#2 - 2012-08-31 08:37:32 UTC
I think the Orca's tank would be able to handle the Mackinaw drone damage long enough to win. But the Mackinaws could just burn out of range and kite the Orca whilst killing the drones. If it is JUST this setup, then yes, the Mackinaws would probably win.

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Corvus Borealis
AUS-BadBadNotGood
#3 - 2012-08-31 08:43:41 UTC
William Walker wrote:
I think the Orca's tank would be able to handle the Mackinaw drone damage long enough to win. But the Mackinaws could just burn out of range and kite the Orca whilst killing the drones. If it is JUST this setup, then yes, the Mackinaws would probably win.

Mining wise.........
William Walker
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#4 - 2012-08-31 09:05:29 UTC
Corvus Borealis wrote:
William Walker wrote:
I think the Orca's tank would be able to handle the Mackinaw drone damage long enough to win. But the Mackinaws could just burn out of range and kite the Orca whilst killing the drones. If it is JUST this setup, then yes, the Mackinaws would probably win.

Mining wise.........


Oh, in that case: yes. The Mackinaws beat 1 hulk and 1 orca. The boosts are not 100% now are they.

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Corvus Borealis
AUS-BadBadNotGood
#5 - 2012-08-31 09:11:48 UTC
I calculated that the two Mackinaws ore yield is 17 percent larger. Is that enough to cover that dock up? Orca has to dock up too when it gets filled.

Of course assuming that you only have two characters in use.

And my math might be little wrong Lol
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#6 - 2012-08-31 10:02:52 UTC
If you're not packing a survey scanner, you'll likely lose more (longer) cycles on rocks which are close to empty, with the Macks.

But then again, the mack has the slots for fitting a scanner.

(Not fitting one on the orca makes little sense. as you use your lows for the tank)

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Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#7 - 2012-08-31 10:37:37 UTC
Using the program linked in my sig, setting max boosting skills, max mining skills, implants and fitting:

Orca + Mackinaw mining Scordite in High sec (perfect refining) 30,694,000 mil an hour.

2 Mackinaws, assuming 3 minutes to run back and forth to station gets you 33,878,000 mil an hour (16,939,000 each).

Using the same assumptions:

Orca + Hulk gets 35,537,000 mil per hour.

2 Hulks gets 28,682,000 mil per hour (14,341,000 each)

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-08-31 11:41:01 UTC
Zifrian wrote:
Using the program linked in my sig, setting max boosting skills, max mining skills, implants and fitting:

Orca + Mackinaw mining Scordite in High sec (perfect refining) 30,694,000 mil an hour.

2 Mackinaws, assuming 3 minutes to run back and forth to station gets you 33,878,000 mil an hour (16,939,000 each).

Using the same assumptions:

Orca + Hulk gets 35,537,000 mil per hour.

2 Hulks gets 28,682,000 mil per hour (14,341,000 each)


How is the hauling done in your 2 hulk example?
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#9 - 2012-08-31 11:45:38 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Zifrian wrote:
Using the program linked in my sig, setting max boosting skills, max mining skills, implants and fitting:

Orca + Mackinaw mining Scordite in High sec (perfect refining) 30,694,000 mil an hour.

2 Mackinaws, assuming 3 minutes to run back and forth to station gets you 33,878,000 mil an hour (16,939,000 each).

Using the same assumptions:

Orca + Hulk gets 35,537,000 mil per hour.

2 Hulks gets 28,682,000 mil per hour (14,341,000 each)


How is the hauling done in your 2 hulk example?

3 minutes so that assumes 8500 m3 ore hold vs 35,000m3 for Mack, which is a lot less trips to station for the Mack over the hulk.

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Sigras
Conglomo
#10 - 2012-08-31 19:33:51 UTC
How does it look if the hulks jetcan mine and then use the last 5 minutes of the hour to haul with orcas?
Traedar
InterStellar Trading Syndicate
#11 - 2012-09-01 11:10:32 UTC
Sigras wrote:
How does it look if the hulks jetcan mine and then use the last 5 minutes of the hour to haul with orcas?


I've mined this way (pre-patch) and it was pretty effective as the Hulks can mine quite a lot before you are going to have a full Orca. 2 Hulks will mine almost 100k m3 in a little over 30 minutes so your Orca will only have to haul 1-2 times an hour.

I would also consider Hulk+Mackinaw over 2 Mackinaws. Then the Mackinaw hauls and the Hulk mines. You'll have to do some jetcanning, though.
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#12 - 2012-09-01 15:28:59 UTC
Another post did this also and we found that until you hit 4 Hulks and an Orca your better off with Mack's over Hulk/Orca...

I would like to see an ISK per account breakdown - this would be important for groups as the hauler and Orca are both accounts that get a share but don't add to the actual mining, the orca boosts but the hauler is nothing added... so it cuts into it def... if you have an off-grid Orca boosting and just a bunch of mack running around you can mine all over the place and each person hauls there own - making it very easy to just compensate the orca pilot for his time and then mine like crazy, everyone is adding to the piles and their piles are already split as they pile their own ore up... makes ops SO much easier than the old way.
Bruce Blacky
Blacky Invention Research Development YinYang
#13 - 2012-09-01 15:55:47 UTC
William Walker wrote:
I think the Orca's tank would be able to handle the Mackinaw drone damage long enough to win. But the Mackinaws could just burn out of range and kite the Orca whilst killing the drones. If it is JUST this setup, then yes, the Mackinaws would probably win.


nope they can not kite it as the orca has a much bigger droine bay :P
Roderick Grey
Koenigsbergers
#14 - 2012-09-01 22:17:51 UTC
William Walker wrote:
Corvus Borealis wrote:
William Walker wrote:
I think the Orca's tank would be able to handle the Mackinaw drone damage long enough to win. But the Mackinaws could just burn out of range and kite the Orca whilst killing the drones. If it is JUST this setup, then yes, the Mackinaws would probably win.

Mining wise.........


Oh, in that case: yes. The Mackinaws beat 1 hulk and 1 orca. The boosts are not 100% now are they.


Pfft, you CFC lads know nothing about small scale Mack PVP. Everytime I try to engage your Skiff fleets in my Retriever you drop Rorquals.

But you bloody wait, as soon as our Navitas doctrine comes into play we'll see who ends up mining in VFK.

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Jordanna Bauer
Taylor Swift Fanclub
#15 - 2012-09-02 08:01:04 UTC
William Walker wrote:
I think the Orca's tank would be able to handle the Mackinaw drone damage long enough to win. But the Mackinaws could just burn out of range and kite the Orca whilst killing the drones. If it is JUST this setup, then yes, the Mackinaws would probably win.

10/10 post, would laugh again.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#16 - 2012-09-03 11:29:49 UTC
Zifrian wrote:
Using the program linked in my sig, setting max boosting skills, max mining skills, implants and fitting:

Orca + Mackinaw mining Scordite in High sec (perfect refining) 30,694,000 mil an hour.

2 Mackinaws, assuming 3 minutes to run back and forth to station gets you 33,878,000 mil an hour (16,939,000 each).

Using the same assumptions:

Orca + Hulk gets 35,537,000 mil per hour.

2 Hulks gets 28,682,000 mil per hour (14,341,000 each)

very good breakdown^

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