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Another reason why new players quit the game...

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Eclapsy
Catharage
#41 - 2012-09-01 09:47:55 UTC
Boo-hooo level 2 missions are too hard for me because I don't have the patience to train my drone skills up, pls buff drones nao.

Please.
luZk
Fivrelde Corp
#42 - 2012-09-01 09:50:53 UTC
Get drone interfacing up, also fit a afterburner and a webber, and remember to fit the type of drones with the right damage type for the npc's you're shooting.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Damage_types

GL HF

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Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-09-01 09:52:27 UTC
Draze Vetlok wrote:
Lilianna Star wrote:
Draze Vetlok wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Might I suggest doing some more level 1 missions while you get your skills up higher?


No challenge in level 1 missions...I would have thought that wouldn't have needed pointing out...


Well, it is good to see you challenging yourself.

Think about what would be helpful. Maybe a stasis webifier, target painter, afterburner, microwarpdrive? Those can all help against frigates and other targets that outrun you.


Oh dear, I think I see why this game has a small core player group that never really expands the way CCP would probably like.

I did have a webifier, but the range was 10k...my ship speed is only 189...and the idea...as stated earlier, was to have the drones fight...


Maller is still the wrong ship for the job as dps is rather lacking. Fit an afterburner as people suggest and drone link augmentor. Also dont fit a plate for mission running as you need a repairer and resistance modules. Even tho youre a drone boat you cant just sit back as you still need to burn into range.
Tub Chil
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#44 - 2012-09-01 10:53:09 UTC
Here you go dear noob

[Arbitrator, Noob PVE]
Prototype Armor Thermic Hardener I
Prototype Armor Kinetic Hardener I
Medium 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
Damage Control I

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Medium F-RX Prototype Capacitor Boost, Cap Booster 200
Peripheral Weapon Navigation Diameter
Drone Navigation Computer I

Drone Link Augmentor I
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]



Hammerhead I x5

replace named mods to T2 when you can
Use mission specific hardeners
Use mission specific drones
when you land on mission, burn out and orbit at 40 km. very few ships will even reach you there.
if you see that range tanking is working for you swap one hardener to drone damage amplifier
Tech3ZH
Doomheim
#45 - 2012-09-01 11:09:21 UTC
OP...So you want a challenge but complain that the game is too hard? mmkk...
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#46 - 2012-09-01 11:14:57 UTC
Sounds like, if you actually survive this lil nightmare called game mechanics you'll enjoy Eve for a very long time.

Eve is harsh place, even the missions for a newbie player and it's alot about numbers. The combat system can be quite complex, regard this as lessons learned, instead of CCP's evil humor.

You can do it!

Odyssey: Repacking in POS hangars for modules +1,  but please for other stuff too, especially containers. Make containers openable in POS hangars.

Josef Djugashvilis
#47 - 2012-09-01 11:31:56 UTC
Draze Vetlok wrote:
Lilianna Star wrote:
Draze Vetlok wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Might I suggest doing some more level 1 missions while you get your skills up higher?


No challenge in level 1 missions...I would have thought that wouldn't have needed pointing out...


Well, it is good to see you challenging yourself.

Think about what would be helpful. Maybe a stasis webifier, target painter, afterburner, microwarpdrive? Those can all help against frigates and other targets that outrun you.


Oh dear, I think I see why this game has a small core player group that never really expands the way CCP would probably like.

I did have a webifier, but the range was 10k...my ship speed is only 189...and the idea...as stated earlier, was to have the drones fight...


Train for decent drone skills, they are just super for mission running.

Decide what you want to do, train the right skills, and the recognise that many of your targets will take a while for you to achieve.

For me, the secret of Eve, is to do as much as I can to enjoy myself with whatever skills I have right now.

I have actually only played for about 18 months spread over 5 years or so.

But I do make the most of,and enjoy using my grand total of 21m skill points.

Freinds who started at the same time as me now have 70m + God, how I hate themSmile

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#48 - 2012-09-01 11:43:53 UTC
Draze Vetlok wrote:
Here is the entire problem...two people have already jumped on and waved the finger at me...

The idea of having a drone carrier, making it armoured and sitting back while drones fight is plausible in theory...if I hadn't chosen that path I would have the Maller by now, and not have experienced this...



No worries about that dude, it's Eve and Eve players are amongst the bitter, cynical and self sufficient you'll ever cross in the gaming universe.

Probably because at some point people get tired of explaining something that should be the obvious work of CCP, either in their tutorials or game guides. Your skills are very low and yes the progression in between lvl1 ->2 is completely different, then the day you jump from 3 to 4's it's even worst. This is due to the fact learning basic required skills in Eve is probably the worst enemy of the game it self.
You need several months to achieve the perfect skill plan to effectively use a simple battlecruiser, this means required skills at 5 to effectively fly it witch is not the same stuff than the "required" to board said ship.

You just did the same mistake everyone starting this game does, run for bigger ships thinking it's better but in fact it's only true if you have those base required skills.
Take a look with Evemon and set yourself a plan for your racial battlecruiser, or even best, for your racial HAC (Zealot) that it's simply the best in game ATM, watch out those "recommended certificates" and push them all to "improved" at least and see how much time you're required training to ever use it properly/effectively.
If after this you're still motivated to play eve then you'll deserve your place among the bitter/cynical eve players, if not, then you should find an easier game to play.

Eve is all about dedication, not the game you play a couple weeks levelling then quit for another. It's another kind of game.

brb

Valari Nala Zena
Perkone
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-09-01 12:55:33 UTC
Zera Kerrigan wrote:
Find a nice corporation.

That's the best advice I can ever give.

Goggles here gives good advice, i suggest you follow it.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2012-09-01 13:43:23 UTC
Nobody forces you to do missions.
In missions, you'll experience less content than a miner does,
except if some noob warps into your mission to salvage it.
Herr Hammer Draken
#51 - 2012-09-01 14:02:11 UTC
Draze Vetlok wrote:
I've already put a week into drone skills...I can only imagen that CCP nerfed drones since the idea I am following seems weak. Which means that I've either got to invest more time into the way I'm going...or just put that week behind me and go back to conventional ships...

Yet that still leaves me with boring level 1 missions...or too hard to do level 2 missions...

I suspect CCP will lose another player, and you the community will still stay small...which isn't what you want as you need more players if you are going to blow the crap out of each other in the "fun part".


Do you realize that this game has over 30 years worth of skills in it to train? And you have had it after one week of skill training.

One thing this game is not designed to do is to give you instant gratification. So I suspect a lot of the younger crowd will not have the ability or staying power to stay with this game long enough or invest enough time into learning it to have any fun.

I am going to say this, it is not the games fault. It is not designed for everyone. That is always, 9 years now, the way it is and will be. It is still here and not going away. 9 years this game has suffered people like you with your complaint about it and it is still here.

Learn the game to have fun with it. The game will not spoon feed you. Take advantage of a learning corp. Use the internet to learn the game. Or not and quit. The one thing this game is not and never will be is easy. But it is easier than it used to be.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"

Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-09-01 14:13:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty Bear
Draze Vetlok wrote:

I take another mission, whereby I activate a warp gate and appear in the middle of a disco...no, not a disco, those are a hell of a lot of lasers...on me...I warp out and away from about 7 ships which have torn down to my hull in seconds.

I quit that mission and I go buy 1600mm, boosting my armour from around 1800 to 6000. I have to lose the beam laser as a result.



When rats chew through your tank (shield or armour) that quickly, it's a good indicator you have the completely wrong resistance attributes for that particular mission.

A default Shield Tank has 0% EM resistance, rats that do EM damage will chew through you very quickly
A default Armour Tank has 10% Explosive resistance, rats that do Expl damage will chew through you very quickly

use the info provided in eve-survival (as mentioned already) and fit 3 to 4 resistance modules instead.
mission report states rats do Kin/Thermic damage then fit (Fitting slots permitting)

  • 2 Kinetic Modules
  • 1-2 Thermic Modules

as these modules will significantly reduce the damage you take, during that particular mission.
Sara XIII
The Carnifex Corp
#53 - 2012-09-01 14:14:43 UTC
You should give some serious thought to training for the Drake. 1 million successful mission runners can't be wrong. P
Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#54 - 2012-09-01 15:57:25 UTC
Sara XIII wrote:
You should give some serious thought to training for the Drake. 1 million successful mission runners can't be wrong. P
I tried my buddy's Drake and when it comes to missions it's just too easy, which just makes a task kind of boring to begin with that much more boring, now a blaster fit Myrmidon on the other hand....
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Arec Bardwin
#55 - 2012-09-01 16:22:59 UTC
If you give up on the first sign of a challenge, this game is definitely not for you op.

Arbitrator is a good choice. The drone skills you learn are DEFINITELY not wasted.

The following fit should permarun, at least with the afterburner off. Upgrade to T2 if you can, dmg modules in high are there to give you that little extra dps when it's needed.

On drones: ALWAYS use gallente (thermal), except against Angels where you will use explosive drones.

[Arbitrator, WOW is that way ----->]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II
Prototype Armor Kinetic Hardener I
Prototype Armor Thermic Hardener I

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Large Peroxide Capacitor Power Cell
Drone Navigation Computer I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I

Medium Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency S
Medium Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency S
Drone Link Augmentor I
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Light Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hammerhead I x5
Hobgoblin I x5
Valkyrie I x5
Warrior I x5
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#56 - 2012-09-01 16:24:28 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Nobody forces you to do missions.
In missions, you'll experience less content than a miner does,
except if some noob warps into your mission to salvage it.


ITP: Being ganked = experiencing content.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#57 - 2012-09-01 16:26:20 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
Sara XIII wrote:
You should give some serious thought to training for the Drake. 1 million successful mission runners can't be wrong. P
I tried my buddy's Drake and when it comes to missions it's just too easy, which just makes a task kind of boring to begin with that much more boring, now a blaster fit Myrmidon on the other hand....


Run a lvl 4 in the Drake, it's a tad more challenging than 3's even if the Drake is suboptimal for them.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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C O'Brien
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#58 - 2012-09-01 17:07:26 UTC
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#59 - 2012-09-01 17:20:36 UTC
Draze Vetlok wrote:
Here is the entire problem...two people have already jumped on and waved the finger at me...

The idea of having a drone carrier, making it armoured and sitting back while drones fight is plausible in theory...if I hadn't chosen that path I would have the Maller by now, and not have experienced this...


OR you could have spent the time learing about the game, especially these crazy modes called "Afterburners" and "Microwarpdrives" and "drone link augmenters" lol.

No one is a fitting expert after a month, eve is complicated, I remember my 1st autocannon laser Brutix lol. But the kinds of people who don't want to stick it out to learn, who want it handed to them on day one, aren't EVE stock to begin with.
ashley Eoner
#60 - 2012-09-01 18:52:17 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
The OP made several poor choices which more then likely included his fitting setup and probably skill learning. My recent amarr alt was able to do level 2s fairly easily in a coercer after 2-3 weeks of skill training.

The OP wouldn't of have nearly as many problems if he had taken the time to read any of the very well done wikis on this game. Even as a fresh newbie last year I had little to no problems progressing through missions (blockade sucked the first time cause I didn't bother looking the mission up and shot the triggers).


EDIT : You didn't think for a moment that training for a drone boat might take longer due to having to train gunnery AND an assortment of drone skills? I avoided the drone boats for that reason.