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A fun idea to make mining not suck.

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Pony Lord Planck
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-08-31 05:38:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Pony Lord Planck
I had this grand idea and was gonna make pictures and everything with ****** photoshop but i tired so im just going to throw it out there.


basically what i propose is that using a survey scanner allows you to click on asteroids and opens up a view similar to how a plant looks on PI, the common type of ore will be *green*, pockets of conecntraed and dense ore can be scattered inside but low level people wont be able to see it until they mine into the asteroid, you active your miners and point and click and instead of cycling they start to vacuum up ore. higher level miners will see slight yellow discolorations when initially looking at an asteroid and will be able to micro manage going after better asteroids. as you vacuum up ore the green goes away until a particular spot is empty, or it will turn from green -> red as you get closer to a dense or concentrated pocket.

This allows people to continue afk mining but provides the option of more attention more isk. mining without the survey would deplete the entire asteroid of all its ore like normal, dense and normal, so you still get the same amount of ore per roid, however with the scanner and high skills players would make more money hunting down the dense nodes and switching asteroids ect...

Some balancing would have to take place, namely removing the dense/conentrated asteroids and maybe changing how much extra minerals the concentrated and dense ore gives you to even make it worth it.


I did decide to throw together a quick poorly drawn graphic to explain better see it below ^o^
http://i.imgur.com/n7MX4.png
just some clarification on my terrible wording, each miner will be able to hold 1 cycle worth of ore, but it can hold a mix of dense/regular, if you hold down the vacuum button it will take exactly long as the cycle time to fill up completely before it has to dump into your ore hold ect...
> another way to do it instead of a vacuum dragging across the screen is to click on the miner and then click on a specific spot on the asteroid, and it would mine for 1 cycle then require you to pick a new spot ect...

Thanks for reading i hope ccp looks at this cause this was inspired by their discussion from the CSM minutes that i read a grand total of 1 page of ;)
Dasola
New Edens Freeports
#2 - 2012-08-31 06:17:59 UTC
As ccp would say: working as intended. Mining dosent suck, if it does, then clearly your doing it wrong. Or maybe its just not gameplay that pleases you, please refer to chart about what there is to do in eve to find something else to do. Blink

I dont believe we need more yield at all. We just need more miners, expecially in light of lates whines about mineral inbalances in market where highsec ores are worth more per m3 then 0.0 ones. See market discussion section of this very forum...

Why is it that everytime someone trys to change mining to more interactive, they infact are after yield buff? I know mining is not for everyone, i do it to relax time to time.

Also please see ideas ccp has had about changeing mining to more interactive. Your proposal really dosent bring anything new to table.

We are Minmatar, Our ship are made of scraps, but look what our scraps can do...

Corvus Borealis
AUS-BadBadNotGood
#3 - 2012-08-31 08:44:28 UTC
ADHD kids don't have attention span for mining, that's the real problem.
Gumby Ambraelle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-08-31 11:37:47 UTC
Corvus Borealis wrote:
ADHD kids don't have attention span for mining, that's the real problem.


And there are a large number of us out there....

but I do like to mine.... just do so in smaller belts so I have to pay attention and refocus lasers and stuff.... else minds wanders and then trouble starts... Lol
Rengerel en Distel
#5 - 2012-08-31 12:31:19 UTC
"ideas" actually have their own forum ... the OP is just a variation on several other ideas about making mining "fun". the problem is that "fun" is subjective. turning mining into a FPS or burgertime might make it fun for some, and ruin it for other people. luckily, if you don't like to mine as it is now, you have the choice to do something else.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-08-31 14:21:30 UTC
Mining already doesn't suck. Plus they spoke of ring mining so we have that to look fwd to at some point.
CorInaXeraL
The Dresdeneers
#7 - 2012-08-31 14:57:14 UTC
I actually like this idea. It takes their attention away from the overview / local / UI and means gankers can ambush more effectively.

PRO IDEA!
Pony Lord Planck
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-08-31 15:55:35 UTC
Dasola wrote:
As ccp would say: working as intended. Mining dosent suck, if it does, then clearly your doing it wrong. Or maybe its just not gameplay that pleases you, please refer to chart about what there is to do in eve to find something else to do. Blink

I dont believe we need more yield at all. We just need more miners, expecially in light of lates whines about mineral inbalances in market where highsec ores are worth more per m3 then 0.0 ones. See market discussion section of this very forum...

Why is it that everytime someone trys to change mining to more interactive, they infact are after yield buff? I know mining is not for everyone, i do it to relax time to time.

Also please see ideas ccp has had about changeing mining to more interactive. Your proposal really dosent bring anything new to table.


ACTUALLY as CCP would say: CCP Arrow stated that the task to mine could stay the same but the visual elements could change to
make the tasks more fun. For example when selecting an asteroid you could scan it to see more
details about what was in it in terms of different types of ores in a single asteroid. The asteroid may
even be displayed in a 3D manner showing the ore distribution.

And "you need more miners" isn't a way to add a non-afk element to mining that CSM has talked about it deserpatly needing

No one is stopping your yield and you from afk mining so I don't see why your whining.

And as I clearly stated it was based off the CSM meetings it actually does iron out quite a few mechanics ;) thanks for your terrible "I LIKE IT SO I DONT WANT IT TO CHANGE" post
Pony Lord Planck
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-08-31 15:57:02 UTC
Corvus Borealis wrote:
ADHD kids don't have attention span for mining, that's the real problem.


Or there's just no game involved in it at all, press F1 drop ore, scoop ore repeat. It's not like this mechanic would remove afk mining for the 35 at a ****** job and lonely.
Pony Lord Planck
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-08-31 15:58:02 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
"ideas" actually have their own forum ... the OP is just a variation on several other ideas about making mining "fun". the problem is that "fun" is subjective. turning mining into a FPS or burgertime might make it fun for some, and ruin it for other people. luckily, if you don't like to mine as it is now, you have the choice to do something else.


Thank you for your "I LIKE IT SO I DONT WANT IT TO CHANGE POST"
If you read it, it clearly states that afk mining is still possible.
Pony Lord Planck
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-08-31 16:02:12 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
Mining already doesn't suck. Plus they spoke of ring mining so we have that to look fwd to at some point.


I fail to see how turning moongoo into asteroids is going to change mining mechanics to make them more interesting?
Pony Lord Planck
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-08-31 16:02:50 UTC
CorInaXeraL wrote:
I actually like this idea. It takes their attention away from the overview / local / UI and means gankers can ambush more effectively.

PRO IDEA!


I hope this isn't sarcasm because this is actually one of the selling points of it ;)
Risk vs Reward no?
Rengerel en Distel
#13 - 2012-08-31 16:12:02 UTC
Pony Lord Planck wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
"ideas" actually have their own forum ... the OP is just a variation on several other ideas about making mining "fun". the problem is that "fun" is subjective. turning mining into a FPS or burgertime might make it fun for some, and ruin it for other people. luckily, if you don't like to mine as it is now, you have the choice to do something else.


Thank you for your "I LIKE IT SO I DONT WANT IT TO CHANGE POST"
If you read it, it clearly states that afk mining is still possible.


Actually, i don't like mining, so i don't do it, and i let people that like it continue doing what they like.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

Pony Lord Planck
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-08-31 16:16:30 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Pony Lord Planck wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
"ideas" actually have their own forum ... the OP is just a variation on several other ideas about making mining "fun". the problem is that "fun" is subjective. turning mining into a FPS or burgertime might make it fun for some, and ruin it for other people. luckily, if you don't like to mine as it is now, you have the choice to do something else.


Thank you for your "I LIKE IT SO I DONT WANT IT TO CHANGE POST"
If you read it, it clearly states that afk mining is still possible.


Actually, i don't like mining, so i don't do it, and i let people that like it continue doing what they like.


Which it does...
Ginger Barbarella
#15 - 2012-08-31 21:50:03 UTC
Pony Lord Planck wrote:
I had this grand idea and was gonna make pictures and everything with ****** photoshop but i tired so im just going to throw it out there.


If you think mining sux, why the (expletive deleted) are you creating a thread about it?!?!

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Pony Lord Planck
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-09-01 02:28:40 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Pony Lord Planck wrote:
I had this grand idea and was gonna make pictures and everything with ****** photoshop but i tired so im just going to throw it out there.


If you think mining sux, why the (expletive deleted) are you creating a thread about it?!?!


Wow so many butthurt miners about a catch title

i dont think it SUCKS i think it has a place in eve as an afk activity with low risk and low isk output that needs to stay in place, but everyone was talking about upgrading it a bit to make it more interesting for someone who likes the idea of mining but wants to play a videogame
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-09-01 02:45:24 UTC
You can really only "AFK" mine with Ice. Asteroids deplete too fast to AFK mine.
Ooda
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-09-02 12:44:55 UTC
the problem with making mining more "attention"-based is, that it might draw multi-boxing ppl into quitting subs. I know for sure, that I'm going to quit 2-3 accounts as soon as I have to pay craploads of attention for mining. Managing x hulks needs attention allready.

Don't touch it is still the best idea - or, just don't "fix" mechanics which are not broken to begin with.
TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-09-04 08:04:06 UTC
^^ agree with Ooda.

Multi boxing an orca and 2+ huks already requires enough attention when using survey scanners and actually managing your cycles to reduce wasted time.

OP idea appears to be based on a solo afk setup and OP is bored as a result.

...

Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#20 - 2012-09-04 11:29:45 UTC
AFK mining would still be posible but worth less due to all the good stuff cherry picked.

Would also favor those who start mining right after down time even more. Making a bad thing worse.

Supply and demand means you can't help one without hurting the other too.

The idea is a half cooked burger and your wondering why so many are throwing up all over this thread.
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