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A carebears opinion on CCP's attention to high sec safety and carebear buffs.
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#21 - 2012-08-31 02:46:13 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Raiz Nhell wrote:
As a carebear myself I think they went too far...

I love the new mining barges, they have given each a purpose, which they are very good at.

But they are mining barges... they shouldn't be equipped to survive combat.
And if you want them equipped to survive combat then fit them that way, sacrifice something, that's what has to happen with every other ship.

Highsec shouldn't be "safe" it should just a place where transgressors are punished.
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They cant survive combat. Problem is eve has always been in a power creep upward in damage as they constantly try and fix and balance. Now they can once again survive 5-10 seconds pretty well from duo targets. If they were ever caught in a wardeck though. They wont survive 12 seconds, unless its a pro or skiff and with any luck its a trap anyway.
What is currently broke still is NPC corps. There is not enough tax, and no way to tax raw ore that is pumped to a refiner character.

Raiz Nhell wrote:

We should have been forced to tank our barges, or bring friends with guns, not be handed out BB sized EHP on something that is in effect a bulldozer.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlZh9-NQEyI


Reminds me of that one guy who jacked an M-60 tank and went on a rampage himself. Don't remember what city it happened, it's been a while.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Ensign X
#22 - 2012-08-31 03:29:49 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
no way to tax raw ore that is pumped to a refiner character.


It's taxed at the market, like every single item that passes through there.
Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#23 - 2012-08-31 05:10:53 UTC
I'm a carebear too.

I do think that high sec being on the safer side is a good thing. That said, I think high sec is also too rewarding. I only have to spend a few days in high sec mining ice on my alt to pay for a single battleship. And at the moment I can produce like around a dozen of my preferred fitting.

Endless money faucet just to feed into my expensive habits.
Hypercake Mix
#24 - 2012-08-31 06:09:42 UTC
High-sec needs to be there to facilitate that journey out.
Each nerf is that many less ventures out and that many more people trapped in high-sec.
Each buff is that many more ventures out and that many more people feeling comfortable in high-sec.
Matriarch Prime
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-08-31 06:19:29 UTC
Carebear Stare!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWODu_7rl5I

I like big guns. I can not lie. You other suckas can't deny. When I warp in, with an itty bity sig, with an arty in your face, you get sprung. You want to pull out your debuffs, 'cause you want to loot my stuff...deep, in a worm with nary, an escape but you can't stop staring. 'Cause, Oh crap!, Baby's got Point!
FRONT TOWARD ENEMY
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-08-31 06:52:41 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Raiz Nhell wrote:
As a carebear myself I think they went too far...

I love the new mining barges, they have given each a purpose, which they are very good at.

But they are mining barges... they shouldn't be equipped to survive combat.
And if you want them equipped to survive combat then fit them that way, sacrifice something, that's what has to happen with every other ship.

Highsec shouldn't be "safe" it should just a place where transgressors are punished.
.


They cant survive combat. Problem is eve has always been in a power creep upward in damage as they constantly try and fix and balance. Now they can once again survive 5-10 seconds pretty well from duo targets. If they were ever caught in a wardeck though. They wont survive 12 seconds, unless its a pro or skiff and with any luck its a trap anyway.
What is currently broke still is NPC corps. There is not enough tax, and no way to tax raw ore that is pumped to a refiner character.

Raiz Nhell wrote:

We should have been forced to tank our barges, or bring friends with guns, not be handed out BB sized EHP on something that is in effect a bulldozer.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlZh9-NQEyI


Power creep? What do you mean? Increase in peak DPS from ships vs. available tank? If so, you're 100% wrong. CCP has, if anything, increased tank and EHP radically, while continuously reducing peak DPS output of all ships across the board. So no, no "power creep".
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#27 - 2012-08-31 07:49:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerath Naaris
CCP needs to raise the the NPC-corp tax to 15%, protection from wardecs should have a price. Not to mention having another ISK sink.

Now for new players, they already start in their own special NPC Corp. For this one, the tax rate should be zero or perhaps 1%, but one should automatically transferred into a "normal" NPC Corp after one month.

No problem whatsoever with granting a certain protection to newbies, but stop the abuse by non-noobs (anyone who can fly a mining barge or a battlecruiser can be considered a non-noob, imo).

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Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-08-31 08:15:14 UTC
As a carebear (trader for the time being), I still say that CCP should find a way to remove concord altogether at some point. Let players deal with crime themselves entirely, but at the same time allow for pirates to perform raids and ganks and whatnot else without getting fingered by God in the process.

However there should be consequences for criminals obviously. Denied high sec docking rights for starters, regular police hounding them, proper crimewatch with criminals being constantly blinking red to everyone with a positive sec status and so on. It's not like the empires should support ciminals in the open like that.

High sec should be "safer" after all, not "safe". Big difference.

Again, I'll be sticking to my belief that concord limits EVE in the long run. Whilst necessary at this point to keep chaos at bay, there are many ways to control it without the need for an immortal police fleet.
Anunzi
Solace Corp
#29 - 2012-08-31 08:16:05 UTC
Deise Koraka wrote:
CCP, you have done enough.

High sec is fairly safe, barges are decently tanked.

Can flipping is more or less gone, ganking is no longer profitable.

Don't do anymore, at least leave high sec a place where it is still possible to die in a horrible fire if you are dumb.




I'm confused, you claim to be a carebear, yet you are not bleating on about how nobody should be able to harm you…

This post makes no sense. Are you sure you are a cearbear?

If you are, then props to you, EvE needs MOAR players with your attitude to keep things right.

Fly safe and happy mining pilot. Oh seven.

"It was the way she said it, Rimmer, to rhyme with scum"
Cede Forster
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-08-31 08:51:54 UTC
well, they need to bring the pirate update now

hijacking ships. stealing cargo, exploding transporters Blink
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#31 - 2012-08-31 09:40:57 UTC
Deise Koraka wrote:
leave high sec a place where it is still possible to die in a horrible fire if you are dumb.


And what exactly happens now when a t1 fit thrasher tries to gank a retriever?!

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
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