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My own POS?

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Steve Dolk
ImperiaI Federation
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2012-08-27 19:53:31 UTC
Heya! (first post)

I'm a new pilot, and I want to go for indy.

However, as research slots are short in the public, I was wondering if I am able to deploy my very own POS or a few of them.

Can I do this on my own?

Thanks :)
Ginger Barbarella
#2 - 2012-08-27 20:11:41 UTC
Steve Dolk wrote:
Heya! (first post)

I'm a new pilot, and I want to go for indy.

However, as research slots are short in the public, I was wondering if I am able to deploy my very own POS or a few of them.

Can I do this on my own?

Thanks :)


1. Yes
2. Check the resources in the Stickie at the top of this forums before going further.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Alyssa SaintCroix
Leihkasse Stammheim
#3 - 2012-08-27 20:45:19 UTC
The short of it is fairly simple. You need to have your own corporation (easy), get the required standings (so-so), buy the modules and POS (easy depending on funds) and of course put them to use while keeping the POS fueled.

If you can't handle the first couple, you can always search the forums for ready made corporations that sell for 100-150mil and you can go from there.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#4 - 2012-08-27 22:46:59 UTC
Rule of thumb:
Small POS 2B isk
Medium 6B isk
Large 12B isk

those are the recommended amounts of ISK your willing to risk in your endeavor for each size, rough estimates.

My personal advice, Head out to Lowsec-Nulsec and start with a small Moon mining operation, gain some experience there, make some friends, learn the parts of eve most are to scared to ever try.
Ginger Barbarella
#5 - 2012-08-28 02:36:34 UTC
Kara Books wrote:
Rule of thumb:
Small POS 2B isk
Medium 6B isk
Large 12B isk

those are the recommended amounts of ISK your willing to risk in your endeavor for each size, rough estimates.

My personal advice, Head out to Lowsec-Nulsec and start with a small Moon mining operation, gain some experience there, make some friends, learn the parts of eve most are to scared to ever try.


With respect, there's a difference between being scared and not wanting to waste isk on a first time venture without knowing what you're doing.

If you're going to start with a small tower, pick a system with cheap station rentals, no ice fields, and well away from mission and trade hubs. Get your feet wet, get a feel for how the business runs, and go from there. But read up on what it takes to set one up (skills) and how you'll pay for the fuels (one way or another).

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Katalci
Kismesis
#6 - 2012-08-28 10:54:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Katalci
Kara Books wrote:
Rule of thumb:
Small POS 2B isk
Medium 6B isk

Large 12B isk

wat
POS means Player-Owned Starbase, not Pinata of Silliness.

Only CSAAs and maybe tech moons (both including the stuff inside) should ever really get pimped out like that.
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-08-28 11:57:49 UTC
POSes are just tools that help you to reach ur industrial goals with, so try create a personel demand for one first bevore u place one... a POS as such doesnt gain anything other than cost.


Kara Books wrote:

Small POS 2B isk
Medium 6B isk
Large 12B isk
.


tbh, never heard of this, and doesnt sound very reaosnable to me as it clearly depends on where and for what ur running the POS. In High sec I dont see why you shouldnt store 300bn in a POS, and in 0.0 npc space even 2bn can be too much...

shar'ra phone home

Katalci
Kismesis
#8 - 2012-08-28 12:04:28 UTC
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
In High sec I dont see why you shouldnt store 300bn in a POS, and in 0.0 npc space even 2bn can be too much...

I would like to see what makes it so expensive, in person. What is the location of this tower you imply you have?
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#9 - 2012-08-28 12:08:54 UTC
If you are willing to tolerate a little more risk, think about setting up shop in a .4 system for your research. You can skip the whole "Getting faction standings up" part and won't need to feed the POS starbase charters, just fuel.

Setting up in a .4 system ensures you don't accidentally setup on top of a valuable moon that other players might covet (moon mining can only be done in .3 or lower).

And you are NOT going to be risking several billion isk by setting up a pos. A couple hundred million is more like it.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-08-28 14:58:10 UTC
Katalci wrote:
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
In High sec I dont see why you shouldnt store 300bn in a POS, and in 0.0 npc space even 2bn can be too much...

I would like to see what makes it so expensive, in person. What is the location of this tower you imply you have?


how about you read again what I said and then tell me where im implying that. But let me tell you, that if I had such a tower I`d be so scared of you now;)



shar'ra phone home

Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
#11 - 2012-08-28 16:36:23 UTC
Kara Books wrote:
Rule of thumb:
Small POS 2B isk
Medium 6B isk
Large 12B isk

those are the recommended amounts of ISK your willing to risk in your endeavor for each size, rough estimates.

My personal advice, Head out to Lowsec-Nulsec and start with a small Moon mining operation, gain some experience there, make some friends, learn the parts of eve most are to scared to ever try.


Utter rubbish, where the hell did you get your figures from?

I've had 2 towers in empire on the go for ages, started with Dread Guristas medium, and needed something larger for more labs & arrays, so took them down and got 2 caldari Large as I didn't see the point in spending so much on faction large with the long payoff times.

Most of the time I've never had them armed or even defended, had 1 random wardec by a 1 man corp, that gave me the excuse to them down and upgrade to the large


So unless you're quoting for faction towers deathstar setup then I'd say you're way over pricing things.

Ginger Barbarella
#12 - 2012-08-28 17:11:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Ginger Barbarella
Pinstar Colton wrote:
If you are willing to tolerate a little more risk, think about setting up shop in a .4 system for your research. You can skip the whole "Getting faction standings up" part and won't need to feed the POS starbase charters, just fuel.


I'd be more concerned about people hitting your POS, even if they don't reinforce it, just for the lulz in low. Serious or not, you still have to go out there and rep the damn thing, even if some noob was just playing around to see what his shiny new 'geddon could do to a tower. NPC null might be quieter than low, but it all depends on the "where" part of the equation.

Edit: and for .4 you still need standings and charters, if I recall correctly. .3 and lower is open.

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#13 - 2012-08-28 17:19:28 UTC
At least Logi Frigs, when they come round, might make this somewhat less of a pain (if you're not a proper logi pilot)

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Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-08-29 22:27:59 UTC
Kara Books wrote:
Rule of thumb:
Small POS 2B isk
Medium 6B isk
Large 12B isk

those are the recommended amounts of ISK your willing to risk in your endeavor for each size, rough estimates.

My personal advice, Head out to Lowsec-Nulsec and start with a small Moon mining operation, gain some experience there, make some friends, learn the parts of eve most are to scared to ever try.


WTF? A small research tower in high sec will set you back about 100m. And unless you start smack talking a large PVP corp, almost no-one will bother trying to take it down.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#15 - 2012-08-29 22:47:54 UTC
I post a lot about POS. A good place to start digging in that pile:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1622094#post1622094
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-08-30 16:14:55 UTC
60-80 for the small caldri tower
60-80 for 1 mobile lab
90-100 for 720 hours of fuel blocks (7200)

call it 210 / 260 for a month of research tower experiment,

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.

Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#17 - 2012-08-31 04:16:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Katherine Devonshire
Or you could make a friend, earn their trust, and get your feet wet renting research space in their POS. Not being flippant - some people actually go this route. The "earning their trust" part is the far biggest hurdle, of course, but one player corporation can indeed become friends with another player corporation without going through all the logistics of actually joining their Alliance (this also lets you keep out of their messy wars, too).

But I digress; the original point being that yes, public queues are agonizing in their wait times, and owning your own POS will indeed alleviate this problem, but first you should ask yourself "Is it worth it, or is there a cheaper, less intensive way to go about accomplishing this goal? Hey, there's a POS right over there that someone else has built. Maybe I should go talk to them? Buy them a drink or something?" It may work, it probably won't, but you can always keep trying and the effort of simply politely asking (and tossing a bit of ISK around, if needed) is much smaller than the effort involved with building, maintaining and possibly even having to defend your own personal POS.
Dasola
New Edens Freeports
#18 - 2012-08-31 06:26:18 UTC
Kusum Fawn wrote:
60-80 for the small caldri tower
60-80 for 1 mobile lab
90-100 for 720 hours of fuel blocks (7200)

call it 210 / 260 for a month of research tower experiment,


yep, thats how i currently run my alt research corp. Just small tower with two labs in backwater highsec system. Two alts doing research on it, me, pe, copy, invent... Manufactuiring slots are easy enough to find in npc station anyways so havent yet bothered to put larger pos up...

Largest cost is getting at started, tower, labs, some fuel and bpos to be researched. Once it up it pretty much costs just the monthly fuel + some new bpo´s to keep it going.

One advice i can give you, look at some of those online services that lets you view bpo and theyr research and see how different levels affect on materials/build times. Some bpo´s dont need reseach at all on me, for examble... And some have so high perfect me level that its not practical to go that high..

We are Minmatar, Our ship are made of scraps, but look what our scraps can do...