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Why Hi-sec agens give Low-sec missions?

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Funky Lazers
Funk Freakers
#1 - 2012-08-27 11:32:50 UTC
It bothers me a lot.
I have ~3bil Marauders and other high-cost ships that I fly for missions.
So basically why would I fly into some low-sec system?
I mean it's very dumb to go into low-sec in a 3bil ship.

So every time I get a low-sec mission I decline it. Sometimes you get 2 in a row and then you have to move to another agent.
Moreover when the other agent gives me 2 low-sec missions or faction ones I have no choice but to wait those 4 hrs for another try.
Isn't that very frustrating and a waste of time?
Each time I get that combo with my agents I log out, unless my corp has some pvp going on so I log on another char.

Shouldn't Hi-sec agents give you hi-sec only missions and low-sec give you only low-sec ones?

Whatever.

Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#2 - 2012-08-27 11:35:07 UTC
Don't do missions near Lowsec

Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to troll everyone you meet - KuroVolt

Funky Lazers
Funk Freakers
#3 - 2012-08-27 11:57:19 UTC
This doesn't solve the actual problem.

Whatever.

Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-08-27 12:08:48 UTC
if you do not like to deal with annoying obstacles, you are playing the wrong game. that said, you can always get your faction standing above 5.0 and decline missions as much as you want.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-08-27 12:23:05 UTC
Tarn Kugisa wrote:
Don't do missions near Lowsec


I'm not sure if it's still the case but around 2 years ago, Gallente agents often sent you as far as 7-12 jumps out - into lowsec systems -- especially for storyline missions.

It infuriated me so much because storyline missions are what grant faction standing gains so I went out and started working for other factions and used the side-gains to raise up my standings. Tutorials for Minmatar, bunch of SOE missions, etc.

It was kind of funny -- I'd check the map, find "12 ships, 5 pod kills in the last hour" on the map stats for the path I'd have to fly to take that mission. /rude - dump and keep going.

Like 12 storyline missions with that kind of crap going on from the Gallente for each one of them... But that was BEFORE the changes over to "security" from the old types of missions that mixed stuff in. One lowsec run wanted me to take a huge amount of garbage (literally garbage) to a lowsec station 5 jumps in. Sure... let me go ahead and run 2 indy loads of garbage along that path! ... hehe
Matriarch Prime
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-08-27 12:39:26 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
if you do not like to deal with annoying obstacles, you are playing the wrong game. that said, you can always get your faction standing above 5.0 and decline missions as much as you want.


A bit off-topic, but what does having faction standing above 5.0 change? I thought if you declined more than one mission per agent per 4 hours you would lose standing...

Did they change something else when they removed agent quality?

I like big guns. I can not lie. You other suckas can't deny. When I warp in, with an itty bity sig, with an arty in your face, you get sprung. You want to pull out your debuffs, 'cause you want to loot my stuff...deep, in a worm with nary, an escape but you can't stop staring. 'Cause, Oh crap!, Baby's got Point!

Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#7 - 2012-08-27 13:24:38 UTC
Why not fly a cheaper ship into lowsec?

Just an idea.

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stoicfaux
#8 - 2012-08-27 13:28:20 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
Matriarch Prime wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
if you do not like to deal with annoying obstacles, you are playing the wrong game. that said, you can always get your faction standing above 5.0 and decline missions as much as you want.


A bit off-topic, but what does having faction standing above 5.0 change? I thought if you declined more than one mission per agent per 4 hours you would lose standing...

Did they change something else when they removed agent quality?


In order to use an agent you need 5.0 standings with the Corporation or the Corporation's Faction and your corporation standing needs to be -2.0 or higher.

When you decline a mission more than once every four hours, your corporation standing takes a large hit, however, your Faction standing is barely touched. This allows you to decline multiple missions in a row without worrying about losing access to your agent. (However, don't let your corporation standings drop below -2.0 or you will lose access to the agent.)

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

stoicfaux
#9 - 2012-08-27 13:35:09 UTC
Roime wrote:
Why not fly a cheaper ship into lowsec?

Just an idea.

Why gimp your isk/time, stress levels, and risk repetitive stress injury (i.e. mashing the d-scan button) by flying in lowsec?

I know some people claim to enjoy low-sec missioning and that they make a mint doing it, however, I just can't see the appeal nor how the rewards are high-enough to justify that claim, unless you and your friends manage to lock down a chunk of low-sec

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Funky Lazers
Funk Freakers
#10 - 2012-08-27 13:41:06 UTC
Roime wrote:
Why not fly a cheaper ship into lowsec?

Just an idea.


Bad idea.

Even if my ship's price was 100 ISK I wouldn't fly into a lowsec.
Becasue I fly in a PvE ship with a PvE char. In other words setup is not for PvP.
Why would I want to get into PvP with PvE stuff? I do missions, I don't give a sh*t about PvP.

As I said even if my ship worth 100 ISK I wouldn't go there because loosing it is a big waste of time:
Flying for a new ship, getting new mods, fitting, flying back. This things kill a lot of your time.
Also I hate giving people free stuff, because killing a PvE ship with PvP one is a piece of cake.

No one gives me an extra candy for flying there.

Whatever.

Astald Ohtar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-08-27 13:45:44 UTC
Dude you are wasting our time .

Find a better agent deep in a sea of high sec .

If you still like that extra reward of that 0.5 agent near low sec DEAL WITH IT ./thread
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#12 - 2012-08-27 14:03:21 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Roime wrote:
Why not fly a cheaper ship into lowsec?

Just an idea.

Why gimp your isk/time, stress levels, and risk repetitive stress injury (i.e. mashing the d-scan button) by flying in lowsec?

I know some people claim to enjoy low-sec missioning and that they make a mint doing it, however, I just can't see the appeal nor how the rewards are high-enough to justify that claim, unless you and your friends manage to lock down a chunk of low-sec



What do you need isk for, if not for flying in low/null/whs? PVE under PVP exposure combines the best of both worlds! PVE without any possibility of losing a ship is just way too boring for me to endure, if that was only thing EVE offered I'd unsub.

Quote:
Bad idea.

Even if my ship's price was 100 ISK I wouldn't fly into a lowsec.
Becasue I fly in a PvE ship with a PvE char. In other words setup is not for PvP.
Why would I want to get into PvP with PvE stuff? I do missions, I don't give a sh*t about PvP.

As I said even if my ship worth 100 ISK I wouldn't go there because loosing it is a big waste of time:
Flying for a new ship, getting new mods, fitting, flying back. This things kill a lot of your time.
Also I hate giving people free stuff, because killing a PvE ship with PvP one is a piece of cake.

No one gives me an extra candy for flying there.


Why don't you fit it for PVP then? I mean, that's like the sensible thing to do if you expect pew to happen. Which is often very easy to avoid, but I sense that nothing outside your grind really matters to you.

It's all about ISK/hr, no fun should be be introduced into your EVE :(

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Funky Lazers
Funk Freakers
#13 - 2012-08-27 14:27:51 UTC
Roime wrote:

Why don't you fit it for PVP then? I mean, that's like the sensible thing to do if you expect pew to happen.


Why would I want to fit a PvP ship and go there when I want to do missions aka carebearing?

PvP in EvE is no longer fun and intereting. It's all about ganking, gate camping and waiting 132490 hours to have an actual engagement.

Whatever.

Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-08-27 14:28:47 UTC
Roime wrote:
It's all about ISK/hr, no fun should be be introduced into your EVE :(


a man once told me that some people think it's fun to optimize isk/hour. then he touched my weewee.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#15 - 2012-08-27 15:00:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Lors Dornick
Funky Lazers wrote:

Shouldn't Hi-sec agents give you hi-sec only missions and low-sec give you only low-sec ones?


Tarn Kugisa wrote:
Don't do missions near Lowsec


If I remember correctly then the distance to the 'target' system depends on your effective standings and on the actual mission specifics.

Like in current system or within 2 jumps, within constellation or in the next constellation.

All without any regard to the security status of the target system or any system in between.

With the removal of agent quality there's no longer any reason to use an agent within 2 jumps of lowsec system within the same constellation.

Besides, why stop after trying agent #2?

With the agent finder you get a nice list of available agents sorted by distance so if your current agent give you a bad mission, take the next one.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.

Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#16 - 2012-08-27 15:08:53 UTC
No one is forcing you to:

1. Do missions near low sec.

2. Use a 3bn isk ship.

Actually, now that I think about it, is this the character you use for missioning? I'm sure we could arrange to have someone come show you why using a 3bn isk ship for missions even in high sec is a bad idea.
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#17 - 2012-08-27 15:40:22 UTC
Wandering into low sec is not the worst thing in the world. Not EVERY high/low border system is a perma-camped instalocking disco meatgrinder. There are far too many low sec systems and not nearly enough pirates to camp them.

By using agents off the beaten path, those forrays into low sec won't be too bad.

Even better: Find an agent IN low sec. You get the same dangers of entering low sec (arguably less since agents deep in low might not send you to a low/high border system) but you get higher isk/LP rewards due to your agent being in a low sec system.


In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#18 - 2012-08-27 15:56:45 UTC
Funky Lazers wrote:
Roime wrote:

Why don't you fit it for PVP then? I mean, that's like the sensible thing to do if you expect pew to happen.


Why would I want to fit a PvP ship and go there when I want to do missions aka carebearing?

PvP in EvE is no longer fun and intereting. It's all about ganking, gate camping and waiting 132490 hours to have an actual engagement.


Because you can omnitank your ship and fit a point on it.

And just no, pvp certainly isn't all about that. For what it's worth, and in this thread probably not much.

@ Daniel,

yeah, but why do hisec missions then?



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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-08-27 16:44:34 UTC
Roime wrote:
@ Daniel,

yeah, but why do hisec missions then?


because losing ships hurts your isk/hour.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#20 - 2012-08-27 17:47:48 UTC
But not as much as running missions does.

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