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Speak Silence
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-08-27 14:56:22 UTC
Dear sir,

While the behavior described in the OP may or may not be against the EULA, it is certainly a slight to all decent space loving pilots like myself. For this individual is ruining the beauty of EVE's asteroid fields and must be stopped. It is "pilots" like these that spoil the wondrous sight of a pristine asteroid field and the associated tourist income. EVE's natural resources are limited and must be exploited reasonably. I ask you to inform me and any other nature lovers like myself of this pilots identity so that we may talk to him and convince him to abandon his ways.

Is your rorqual tackled?
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#22 - 2012-08-27 15:45:40 UTC
Dajli wrote:
Dorian Wylde wrote:
Dajli wrote:
And each one of those subs is most likely botting so… no, no it isn't.



Possible? Yes.

Most likely? Hardly. You have no proof, only conjecture.

The same as the morons who will say I support botting because I'm defending someone being accused of it.




Give me a break. Botting hasn't even begun to be dealt with by CCP the way people are wanting it to be. The forums have been on fire with complaints over the last year.

Yeah, as of now. He's most likely botting. If not then it can be proven and 'nuff said. Until then… HE IS MOST LIKELY BOTTING!


Multi boxers are more likely to name their accounts sequentially than botters are as it makes the accounts easier to keep track of.

Most likely he is using the appropriate software to mirror his mouse commands across all of the clients he is running... which is a fair bit trickier than firing up a bot on each machine.

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Ginger Barbarella
#23 - 2012-08-27 15:52:34 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
Dajli wrote:
And each one of those subs is most likely botting so… no, no it isn't.


there is no need to bot now.


c'mon, you're smarter than that.

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Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-08-27 15:56:38 UTC
So if it was just two accounts would it still be botting? No? At what point does it go from, "Nah he is just dual boxing." to "ZOMG HE IS BOTTING!!"

What is the magic number? Also just because you say the are bots does not make it so.
Amber Coldheart
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-08-27 16:05:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Amber Coldheart
Marlona Sky wrote:
So if it was just two accounts would it still be botting? No? At what point does it go from, "Nah he is just dual boxing." to "ZOMG HE IS BOTTING!!"

What is the magic number? Also just because you say the are bots does not make it so.

Good question that :)

On "mining ops", i use 3 characters (which is all i have), two in barges and the third in an Orca. Nothing is automated anywhere, i manually target whatever rock, i move the ore manually, etc etc.

Im sure that if i felt a desperate desire to, i could do the same with 5 clients or even more (but i really dont, 3 is more than enough for me...lol).
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-08-27 16:23:26 UTC
Dajli wrote:
Dorian Wylde wrote:
Dajli wrote:
And each one of those subs is most likely botting so… no, no it isn't.



Possible? Yes.

Most likely? Hardly. You have no proof, only conjecture.

The same as the morons who will say I support botting because I'm defending someone being accused of it.




Give me a break. Botting hasn't even begun to be dealt with by CCP the way people are wanting it to be. The forums have been on fire with complaints over the last year.

Yeah, as of now. He's most likely botting. If not then it can be proven and 'nuff said. Until then… HE IS MOST LIKELY BOTTING!


You are the one vehemently claiming that he must be botting. The burden of proof is on you.

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Jason Xado
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-08-27 21:26:35 UTC
I use to think there were bots everywhere myself. Until I started multiboxing myself with IsBoxer. I learned that a lot of the behaviors I saw that I thought were botting were the same behaviors I was doing with Multiboxing with IsBoxer. I also discovered that with IsBoxer and its VideoFX feature you can run a HUGE number of accounts very easily, almost as easily as running one account.

I would suggest to the "Everyone is a bot that has more than three accounts" crowd, to simply try IsBoxer and see for yourself. I can run 12 accounts easily from 1 screen with IsBoxer and plan to run more when I get around to it.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-08-27 22:23:15 UTC
If all 10 ships warp into belt, move to separate locations in the belt, each target different rocks, and activate strips at the same time, he's botting.

Or are you guys saying that there is software that lets 10 ships move to 10 dif points, target 10-20 different asteroids, and mine them all from a master account?

Because my understanding is that multiboxing software sends the exact same command to every client, which means every client has to act dependent upon the master account. Which means going were the master account goes, targeting what the master account targets, and generally doing the exact same thing that the master account does.

You shouldn't be able to target multiple objects with one key press.
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#29 - 2012-08-27 22:32:03 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
If all 10 ships warp into belt, move to separate locations in the belt, each target different rocks, and activate strips at the same time, he's botting.

Or are you guys saying that there is software that lets 10 ships move to 10 dif points, target 10-20 different asteroids, and mine them all from a master account?

Because my understanding is that multiboxing software sends the exact same command to every client, which means every client has to act dependent upon the master account. Which means going were the master account goes, targeting what the master account targets, and generally doing the exact same thing that the master account does.

You shouldn't be able to target multiple objects with one key press.



Are you the OP's alt or is this some new information pertaining to the situation. I only ask because no where in the OP's post do I see flight formations or different asteroids being targeted, only a list of names with 1-10 attached to them. Can you show me where he said all this?

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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#30 - 2012-08-27 22:37:32 UTC
so report them. as a bot if you suspect. CCP will take care of it if they deem it necessary. guess it depends on how thick CCP's wallet is feeling!
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-08-27 22:38:22 UTC
Dajli wrote:
Dorian Wylde wrote:
Dajli wrote:
And each one of those subs is most likely botting so… no, no it isn't.



Possible? Yes.

Most likely? Hardly. You have no proof, only conjecture.

The same as the morons who will say I support botting because I'm defending someone being accused of it.




Give me a break. Botting hasn't even begun to be dealt with by CCP the way people are wanting it to be. The forums have been on fire with complaints over the last year.

Yeah, as of now. He's most likely botting. If not then it can be proven and 'nuff said. Until then… HE IS MOST LIKELY BOTTING!


Eh, its still conjecture until you can prove it.

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Jason Xado
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-08-27 22:53:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Jason Xado
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
If all 10 ships warp into belt, move to separate locations in the belt, each target different rocks, and activate strips at the same time, he's botting.

Or are you guys saying that there is software that lets 10 ships move to 10 dif points, target 10-20 different asteroids, and mine them all from a master account?

Because my understanding is that multiboxing software sends the exact same command to every client, which means every client has to act dependent upon the master account. Which means going were the master account goes, targeting what the master account targets, and generally doing the exact same thing that the master account does.

You shouldn't be able to target multiple objects with one key press.


Warping 10 ships into the belt is easy without IsBoxer, just warp squad to point.

Targetting seperate asteroids is easy with IsBoxer. You simply set up a Video FX source for the target selection icon in the bottom left of the fleet window for each mining account. You then place a Video FX viewer for all the accounts on one main screen. You can then use a survey scanner to quickly broadcast target and then shift click the target icon. It is very easy to quickly have every ship in the fleet targeting a seperate asteroid, all from one screen.

Move to seperate locations in the belt is handled by having individual personal bookmarks set up for each account. As long as the bookmarks are kept in the same order you could easily have pre designated spots in the belt that each ship goes to.

Activating strips at the same time is easy with IsBoxer. Just turn repeater on and click F1 through F3.

This is what I was talking about. Until I actually started using IsBoxer I also thought this behavior was bottish. But it is very easy to do with IsBoxer.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-08-27 23:29:48 UTC
Jason Xado wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
If all 10 ships warp into belt, move to separate locations in the belt, each target different rocks, and activate strips at the same time, he's botting.

Or are you guys saying that there is software that lets 10 ships move to 10 dif points, target 10-20 different asteroids, and mine them all from a master account?

Because my understanding is that multiboxing software sends the exact same command to every client, which means every client has to act dependent upon the master account. Which means going were the master account goes, targeting what the master account targets, and generally doing the exact same thing that the master account does.

You shouldn't be able to target multiple objects with one key press.


Warping 10 ships into the belt is easy without IsBoxer, just warp squad to point.

Targetting seperate asteroids is easy with IsBoxer. You simply set up a Video FX source for the target selection icon in the bottom left of the fleet window for each mining account. You then place a Video FX viewer for all the accounts on one main screen. You can then use a survey scanner to quickly broadcast target and then shift click the target icon. It is very easy to quickly have every ship in the fleet targeting a seperate asteroid, all from one screen.

Move to seperate locations in the belt is handled by having individual personal bookmarks set up for each account. As long as the bookmarks are kept in the same order you could easily have pre designated spots in the belt that each ship goes to.

Activating strips at the same time is easy with IsBoxer. Just turn repeater on and click F1 through F3.

This is what I was talking about. Until I actually started using IsBoxer I also thought this behavior was bottish. But it is very easy to do with IsBoxer.

Thank you. That's what I was looking for.

Obviously I don't use isboxer and don't know how it works. From everything I understood about multiboxing as far as CCP allowed, you're only allowed to effectively slave accounts, and whatever you do on one account has to occur on all the others.

I didn't know that they allowed you to run many accounts and then use software to effectively allow each one to work independent of the other. In most games they call that bottling.


Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-08-27 23:33:21 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
If all 10 ships warp into belt, move to separate locations in the belt, each target different rocks, and activate strips at the same time, he's botting.

Or are you guys saying that there is software that lets 10 ships move to 10 dif points, target 10-20 different asteroids, and mine them all from a master account?

Because my understanding is that multiboxing software sends the exact same command to every client, which means every client has to act dependent upon the master account. Which means going were the master account goes, targeting what the master account targets, and generally doing the exact same thing that the master account does.

You shouldn't be able to target multiple objects with one key press.



Are you the OP's alt or is this some new information pertaining to the situation. I only ask because no where in the OP's post do I see flight formations or different asteroids being targeted, only a list of names with 1-10 attached to them. Can you show me where he said all this?

He didn't say it, nor did I say he said it.

Nor was I actually responding to the op, but to what I see people saying about multiboxing.

See the second sentence I wrote? That symbol at the end of it means that I was asking a question. I learned that in like first grade. I'm sorry your schooling sucked.
Jason Xado
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-08-27 23:50:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jason Xado
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Jason Xado wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
If all 10 ships warp into belt, move to separate locations in the belt, each target different rocks, and activate strips at the same time, he's botting.

Or are you guys saying that there is software that lets 10 ships move to 10 dif points, target 10-20 different asteroids, and mine them all from a master account?

Because my understanding is that multiboxing software sends the exact same command to every client, which means every client has to act dependent upon the master account. Which means going were the master account goes, targeting what the master account targets, and generally doing the exact same thing that the master account does.

You shouldn't be able to target multiple objects with one key press.


Warping 10 ships into the belt is easy without IsBoxer, just warp squad to point.

Targetting seperate asteroids is easy with IsBoxer. You simply set up a Video FX source for the target selection icon in the bottom left of the fleet window for each mining account. You then place a Video FX viewer for all the accounts on one main screen. You can then use a survey scanner to quickly broadcast target and then shift click the target icon. It is very easy to quickly have every ship in the fleet targeting a seperate asteroid, all from one screen.

Move to seperate locations in the belt is handled by having individual personal bookmarks set up for each account. As long as the bookmarks are kept in the same order you could easily have pre designated spots in the belt that each ship goes to.

Activating strips at the same time is easy with IsBoxer. Just turn repeater on and click F1 through F3.

This is what I was talking about. Until I actually started using IsBoxer I also thought this behavior was bottish. But it is very easy to do with IsBoxer.

Thank you. That's what I was looking for.

Obviously I don't use isboxer and don't know how it works. From everything I understood about multiboxing as far as CCP allowed, you're only allowed to effectively slave accounts, and whatever you do on one account has to occur on all the others.

I didn't know that they allowed you to run many accounts and then use software to effectively allow each one to work independent of the other. In most games they call that bottling.




At no point does IsBoxer allow you to run clients independently of each other. IsBoxer allows 2 simple things.

1.) Broadcasting actions from one client to multiple clients.
2.) Putting a portion of the screen of one client onto another screen using VideoFX.

At no point is anything automated, I.E. botting.

It is easier to explain with a picture. Here is a screenshot of my targeting setup. The survey scanner window on the left allows me to broadcast target asteroids to my fleet (which is built in EvE client functionality). The little crosshair icons you see on the right of the survey window are actually Video FX viewers into other clients. You can broadcast target an asteroid and then shift click on a target icon on the right. This allows you to quickly target individual asteroids to every ship in the fleet. At no point is anything automated. You have to manually braodcast target and manually shift click on the target icon for each and every asteroid.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/File:Screen2.jpg

Here is a screenshot of my mining screen. Each of the items you see here is a VideoFX viewer into a different client. Effectively allowing you to control the entire fleet from one screen. This is all standard IsBoxer functionality. At no point is anything automated. Everything requires a human being to click to make it work.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/wikiEN/images/4/43/Screen1.jpg

I have petitioned this funtionality and it is within the rules.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-08-28 00:08:15 UTC
Jason Xado wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Jason Xado wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
If all 10 ships warp into belt, move to separate locations in the belt, each target different rocks, and activate strips at the same time, he's botting.

Or are you guys saying that there is software that lets 10 ships move to 10 dif points, target 10-20 different asteroids, and mine them all from a master account?

Because my understanding is that multiboxing software sends the exact same command to every client, which means every client has to act dependent upon the master account. Which means going were the master account goes, targeting what the master account targets, and generally doing the exact same thing that the master account does.

You shouldn't be able to target multiple objects with one key press.


Warping 10 ships into the belt is easy without IsBoxer, just warp squad to point.

Targetting seperate asteroids is easy with IsBoxer. You simply set up a Video FX source for the target selection icon in the bottom left of the fleet window for each mining account. You then place a Video FX viewer for all the accounts on one main screen. You can then use a survey scanner to quickly broadcast target and then shift click the target icon. It is very easy to quickly have every ship in the fleet targeting a seperate asteroid, all from one screen.

Move to seperate locations in the belt is handled by having individual personal bookmarks set up for each account. As long as the bookmarks are kept in the same order you could easily have pre designated spots in the belt that each ship goes to.

Activating strips at the same time is easy with IsBoxer. Just turn repeater on and click F1 through F3.

This is what I was talking about. Until I actually started using IsBoxer I also thought this behavior was bottish. But it is very easy to do with IsBoxer.

Thank you. That's what I was looking for.

Obviously I don't use isboxer and don't know how it works. From everything I understood about multiboxing as far as CCP allowed, you're only allowed to effectively slave accounts, and whatever you do on one account has to occur on all the others.

I didn't know that they allowed you to run many accounts and then use software to effectively allow each one to work independent of the other. In most games they call that bottling.




At no point does IsBoxer allow you to run clients independently of each other. IsBoxer allows 2 simple things.

1.) Broadcasting actions from one client to multiple clients.
2.) Putting a portion of the screen of one client onto another screen using VideoFX.

At no point is anything automated, I.E. botting.

It is easier to explain with a picture. Here is a screenshot of my targeting setup. The survey scanner window on the left allows me to broadcast target asteroids to my fleet (which is built in EvE client functionality). The little crosshair icons you see on the right of the survey window are actually Video FX viewers into other clients. You can broadcast target an asteroid and then shift click on a target icon on the right. This allows you to quickly target individual asteroids to every ship in the fleet. At no point is anything automated. You have to manually braodcast target and manually shift click on the target icon for each and every asteroid.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/File:Screen2.jpg


That was helpful, thank you.
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#37 - 2012-08-28 00:23:11 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
THE L0CK wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
If all 10 ships warp into belt, move to separate locations in the belt, each target different rocks, and activate strips at the same time, he's botting.

Or are you guys saying that there is software that lets 10 ships move to 10 dif points, target 10-20 different asteroids, and mine them all from a master account?

Because my understanding is that multiboxing software sends the exact same command to every client, which means every client has to act dependent upon the master account. Which means going were the master account goes, targeting what the master account targets, and generally doing the exact same thing that the master account does.

You shouldn't be able to target multiple objects with one key press.



Are you the OP's alt or is this some new information pertaining to the situation. I only ask because no where in the OP's post do I see flight formations or different asteroids being targeted, only a list of names with 1-10 attached to them. Can you show me where he said all this?

He didn't say it, nor did I say he said it.

Nor was I actually responding to the op, but to what I see people saying about multiboxing.

See the second sentence I wrote? That symbol at the end of it means that I was asking a question. I learned that in like first grade. I'm sorry your schooling sucked.



Terrible attempt at redemption in a thread that was talking about 10 characters of the same name with a numerical difference at the end. You just admitted that you aren't even on topic with anyone else. Not to mention a resident IsBoxer specialist has proven your first statement wrong. Then you had to resort to personal attacks. Oh well, better luck next time aya mate? <---(seewhatIaddedthere)

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
Raman Altol
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-08-28 00:23:26 UTC
I have been running such a fleet as this for over 6 months, been called a bot so many times I've lost count and likely been reported dozens of times. However, I'm still here so I'm going to assume the fleet of which you speak is a multiboxing fleet like many have said before. Why in gods name would you name a botting fleet with 01-10, think about it for a second. The last thing you want is attention drawn to your fleet as you will get reported and banned. For those of us who multibox we honestly don't care if you think we're bots because both we and CCP know full well we are not. Just because your jealous you don't run as many accounts dosen't mean you should persecute our way of life. Oh and 01-10 is nothing by the way, I've seen multiboxing fleets of nearly 3 times that size.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-08-28 00:27:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
THE L0CK wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
THE L0CK wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
If all 10 ships warp into belt, move to separate locations in the belt, each target different rocks, and activate strips at the same time, he's botting.

Or are you guys saying that there is software that lets 10 ships move to 10 dif points, target 10-20 different asteroids, and mine them all from a master account?

Because my understanding is that multiboxing software sends the exact same command to every client, which means every client has to act dependent upon the master account. Which means going were the master account goes, targeting what the master account targets, and generally doing the exact same thing that the master account does.

You shouldn't be able to target multiple objects with one key press.



Are you the OP's alt or is this some new information pertaining to the situation. I only ask because no where in the OP's post do I see flight formations or different asteroids being targeted, only a list of names with 1-10 attached to them. Can you show me where he said all this?

He didn't say it, nor did I say he said it.

Nor was I actually responding to the op, but to what I see people saying about multiboxing.

See the second sentence I wrote? That symbol at the end of it means that I was asking a question. I learned that in like first grade. I'm sorry your schooling sucked.


Terrible attempt at redemption in a thread that was talking about 10 characters of the same name with a numerical difference at the end. You just admitted that you aren't even on topic with anyone else. Not to mention a resident IsBoxer specialist has proven your first statement wrong. Then you had to resort to personal attacks. Oh well, better luck next time aya mate? <---(seewhatIaddedthere)


That's probably because the resident expert was the only one that understood what a ******* question mark entails.

You go ahead and keep typing words, it's cute.
Jason Xado
Doomheim
#40 - 2012-08-28 02:09:38 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

That was helpful, thank you.


You are welcome. I'm just trying to spread the word that not everyone with more than two accounts is botting.