EVE General Discussion

Nerf local. You no longer have a box with a random neut or red sitting there scaring you into a station/pos, covert ops get to be covert and the 0.0 bots stop working. 3 things fixed with one stone.

No you will just suddenly find the enemy uncloaking in perfect range of you for a free gank or hotdrop with no warning.

Still claim removing local will fix AFK cloaking?

Lets focus on serious solutions please and not off topic stuff about nullsec.

My god, a steath bomber managing to be stealthy that cant be how its ment to work!

Also please, show me how you are detecting these afk players if local has nothing to do with this subject.

Adequately defend your space and a cloaked ship has plenty of risk. If you're so lazy you don't have gatecamps 23/7 into your ratting systems, why should the cloaker be penalized?

The other week I spent 3 hours scouting a POS in my cov ops holding a position for a warp in. Your idea makes this impossible.

As for risk, how about the risk free ratting that the foolpoof intel tool that is local provides making it just about impossible to catch people unawares?

I'm yet to see someone point out how he can be cloaked, sitted at his PC, and be completely gutted by a T2 probe (remember skill requirements) that can, at best, put someone 10km away from him.

Oh how can we think of something so godly unbalanced!

So move the second you see people warping in. Its meant to be troublesome for the hunter so if 10km is too low, make it 15 or 20.

You can't hurt anything while docked either, but are you going to sit 50km off a station you know has a red arty fleet ready to undock inside?

Deny them the ability to uncloak on demand then its a different story.

On this basis, you would be fine with me having a module, that allowed me, from any point in the universe to teleport to 2km behind your ship? After all I can't do anything while teleporting just as you can't do anything while cloaking....... Oh and to see what is around you as well before jumping... No you wouldn't, its not what cloaking does that matters, its what cloaking ALLOWS you to do.

I don't want to see cloaking removed, I just don't want it to be the perfect, inpenetrable defence it is now because its bad for the game and bad for pvp. Lets add the hide and seek element! It should be damm hard/near impossible to find anyone cloaked, but it should be (feasibly) possible. Nothing should be perfect and without a counter like cloaking is.



If you can read, you know who I am. This is my main. I don't need to hide behind a alt thanks.
Oh and nMeh never got me while ratting as far as I remember, I just ignored him as his vaga couldn't do **** to my Mael and I knew he didn't fit cynos from intel and the fact we did know you didn't have a cap fleet in jump range at that point ;) Not sure if he got my vaga when I tried to chase him down once, I can't remember to be honest.

Also how does not appearing in local only work on ratters? He didn't appear on local for players either till a long while after he entered system.

Remember PL posted a video showing it been done and working on players, I think he only caught a few of our miners that way however... damm miners ;) I kept telling them to fit warp stabs, but do they, noo......



So basically you are saying never rat in a system with a red in local and to ignore reds cloakies in local because you can't prove they aren't AFK. Contradiction much?

And I'll tell you what cloakers can do, its called 'de-cloaking' and allow you to do whatever you normally do.... You may not be able to do anything WHILE cloaked, but been cloaked allows you to get into the right place to do very very nasty things....

Its kinda the point that ISK making, specifically low value (60mil/hour) ISK making has to be fairly safe. If its not, why do it. Remeber not all alliances have that many systems they CAN rat in, so a few cloakies can stop a large chunk of their member's income with no real defence. This is a real screw over for the minor alliances that are trying to establish themselves in 0.0 and I was under the impression CCP are trying to encourage more people to move out to 0.0

Not having a reasonable income source is really not going to help this!!!!

Its possible..
Ah.. but now he would be breaching the EULA =)

I just really worry about these ideas of either random decloak or direct placement or other things that don't give almost insane free warning to the active cloaker.

I was thinking about the direct placement probes but here is the issue. If you make it too close all you have to do is warp a drake and lob a bomb at it and that's that for the cloaker active or not. Too far and you have to completely spam the area to decloak him which encourages more can abuse.

I REALLY need to just make this pictorial post because once you see my idea I think you can understand how it is only of tiny tiny tiny inconvenience for the active cloaker and risky for the inactive cloaker without things that give a free kill for the defenders. Only the ones who are not active in the client should be in any serious risk.

And when I mean free warning I mean so blatant only and AFK person would ignore it. Such as the black window saying "WARNING: Cloak has been compromised Cloak will fail in 30 seconds!" And with my idea it goes even further warning the active cloaker someone is probing the random point "Warning! Cloak is being compromised change position" Meaning warp away and back to reset the random point. Only the AFK part needs to be targeted.

Edit: In my opinion regardless of probe idea there MUST be a random scan down point. Otherwise people who are ratting or mining will just a 0.25 Probe umbrella over their fleet and the Active cloaker will have to warp almost every minute. That dosent sound fair to the active cloaker in my opinion.