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Doing lvl4 missions in raven

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Jebac Katelo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-08-18 15:46:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Jebac Katelo
So I bought raven and I started do lvl 4 missions... And I can do all of them but it takes me way to much time... And also I calculated that after salvaging I earn up to 10-15mil per h... (Sometimes even lower if I got some easy missions).

I have 4,5 mil SP (all in combat)... I can tank most of mission without warping out but I really kill slow...
I have : 6x arbalest launchers
1x X-Large shield booster I 1x Large shield amplifier I 4x Hardeners II
3x BCS II 2x Capacitor Flux I
5x Hobgoblin II

Skils: Link
So what should I do to start doing lvl4 missions faster?
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-08-18 16:49:16 UTC
Get t2 launchers, get t2 bcs, get warhead upgrade higher.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Bommel McMurdoc
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-08-18 16:49:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Bommel McMurdoc
there are a lot of good fits available simply by typing "level 4 mission raven" in the search box of Google.com. i'm fairly certain that you can look through the fits and you will learn how to increase your output.

However...... with only 4.5m skill points you will find yourself establishing goals. First and foremost will probably be to get Ballistic Control Systems trained to tech 2 unless you'd rather get the Caldari Ballistic Systems instead. Both items will require the weapons upgrades skill. BCS Modules will increase your damage output.

You can try and download Evemon which is a 3rd party tool that will show you a vast database of items and ships available to you in the game. In evemon, when you look at the ships you will notice on the bottom right of the application window that says "required skills" and above that you will also notice "Recommended certificates." The Recommended Certificates will enable you to further increase the usability of the Raven.

All above stated, You will also notice that the standard Raven has 6 high slots available for launchers. The Raven Navy Issue will have 7 Launcher slots available to you for increased damage. All in All the navy raven is a great cruise missile boat. Which is a good goal to shoot for yourself.

Lastly, but not least, you really shouldn't have 2 shield boosters on your fit, over-over tanking will lower your damage output to an extreme amount. You will find it necessary to micromanage your modules for certain tasks.

Please do message me ingame if you have further questions, I've flown the CNR (navy raven) for a good while and will help you out the best I can. Nothing quite like learning how to pop cruisers with just 1 or 2 volleys of Cruise missiles. =)
Jebac Katelo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-08-18 17:05:24 UTC
I did some mistakes in my post.... I have BCS II and I dont have second shiled booster it is shield amplifier... xD

I will contact you later in game so we can talk more about my ship ;)
Bommel McMurdoc
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-08-18 17:06:37 UTC
Jebac Katelo wrote:
I did some mistakes in my post.... I have BCS II and I dont have second shiled booster it is shield amplifier... xD

I will contact you later in game so we can talk more about my ship ;)



ah I must have misread your fit, my apologies.
EvK EvE
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-08-18 17:15:51 UTC
A bit offtop question:
I can sloowly run lvl4 missions in Drake, and going to train for Tengu. Now doing mostly exploration. So the question is - should I buy a Raven on my way to Tengu, or better just skip it?
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-08-18 17:23:35 UTC
EvK EvE wrote:
A bit offtop question:
I can sloowly run lvl4 missions in Drake, and going to train for Tengu. Now doing mostly exploration. So the question is - should I buy a Raven on my way to Tengu, or better just skip it?

Raven uses different weapon system, cruise missiles. If you want to stay focused, concentrate on the heavy missiles and other skills for Drake/Tengu, ignore cruise missiles and Caldari Battleship skill. Training BS skill from 4 to 5 takes about 30 days.

If you do not mind extra month or two of training, train Raven and cruise missiles in addition to what you need for Tengu.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Bommel McMurdoc
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-08-18 17:26:28 UTC
EvK EvE wrote:
A bit offtop question:
I can sloowly run lvl4 missions in Drake, and going to train for Tengu. Now doing mostly exploration. So the question is - should I buy a Raven on my way to Tengu, or better just skip it?


Well, for level 4 missions it's always going to be faster to use a battleship given the weapons they allow for. Certainly a Drake or a Tengu will make it a lot more interesting to do. I'm not entirely sure a tech 3 BC (Naga) will provide as an alternative as the Naga doesn't have Missile bonus'.

You could just mission in a CNR as you progress towards the tengu. However, I personally, wouldn't put a lot of faith in the efficiency of a Tengu for level 4 missions. In my mind, the CNR will provide a lot of flexibility while the Tengu requires a bit more "paying attention" to.
Ooda
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-08-18 18:09:48 UTC
I would say train for mach/Nightmare, but if you really want to have an awesome CNR, use a Gist C-Type Xl shield booster, train your missile related skills and put in as much damage as possible.

My fit looked like:

7x T2 Cruise launchers,
Gist C-type XL-Booster,
1x T2 invul
2x Caldari navy mission specific hardners
1x RF TP
1x DG shieldboost-amp
4x Caldari Navy balistic control
1x DMG Control II

Rigs were 2 rigors and 1 flare - rigors were T2 iirc.

Cleared everything with ease, and puts out ~700 dps with drones and just T1 Ammo.
Kasutra
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#10 - 2012-08-18 22:10:17 UTC
As everyone else has said: More skills will lead to more damage.

You may want to keep in mind that the cruise Raven isn't really a high-DPS boat. You'll get by (and it has a lot of great convenience factors going for it, like damage projection/predictability/selection), but it just isn't capable of pumping out the kind of numbers some other boats can.

Ooda wrote:
I would say train for mach/Nightmare, but if you really want to have an awesome CNR, use a Gist C-Type Xl shield booster, train your missile related skills and put in as much damage as possible.

My fit looked like:

7x T2 Cruise launchers,
Gist C-type XL-Booster,
1x T2 invul
2x Caldari navy mission specific hardners
1x RF TP
1x DG shieldboost-amp
4x Caldari Navy balistic control
1x DMG Control II

Rigs were 2 rigors and 1 flare - rigors were T2 iirc.

Cleared everything with ease, and puts out ~700 dps with drones and just T1 Ammo.

The OP doesn't have much to gain from a better shield booster/hardeners/boost amp if tank isn't a problem.
Theo Ramone
Stryker Industries
Stryker Group
#11 - 2012-08-19 04:19:32 UTC
Ooda wrote:
I would say train for mach/Nightmare, but if you really want to have an awesome CNR, use a Gist C-Type Xl shield booster, train your missile related skills and put in as much damage as possible.

My fit looked like:

7x T2 Cruise launchers,
Gist C-type XL-Booster,
1x T2 invul
2x Caldari navy mission specific hardners
1x RF TP
1x DG shieldboost-amp
4x Caldari Navy balistic control
1x DMG Control II

Rigs were 2 rigors and 1 flare - rigors were T2 iirc.

Cleared everything with ease, and puts out ~700 dps with drones and just T1 Ammo.


That tank is overkill, and frankly may very well be a waste of isk. I'm rolling over L4's with nothing more than this in mids.

Adaptive Invul II
Mission Specific II
Mission Specific II
Shield Boost II
XL Shield Booster II
Cap Boost II

It does fine, as long as I dont go full ****** with my pulls.
Beta Stryker
Yet Another Holding Corporation
#12 - 2012-08-19 07:37:08 UTC
EvK EvE wrote:
A bit offtop question:
I can sloowly run lvl4 missions in Drake, and going to train for Tengu. Now doing mostly exploration. So the question is - should I buy a Raven on my way to Tengu, or better just skip it?


Since the t1 Raven is sooo much cheaper than a Tengu, I found it a good starter ship to get myself financially and skill-wise on my feet. After that, you can go for the Tengu.

I still keep a RNI around for when I want to do a night or two of L4 mishing.
Pony Lord Planck
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-08-26 11:40:28 UTC
missile ships naturally have low DPS and high tank. For newer players it allows them to get into higher level missions faster, but not run them faster ;)

If you want to run the missions quickly I would suggest a heavy DPS gun-boat, most can get up to 1000 paper dps with level 4 skills where missiles tend to cap out at around 750 with max skills.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-08-26 14:48:49 UTC
Jebac Katelo wrote:
So I bought raven and I started do lvl 4 missions... And I can do all of them but it takes me way to much time... And also I calculated that after salvaging I earn up to 10-15mil per h... (Sometimes even lower if I got some easy missions).

I have 4,5 mil SP (all in combat)... I can tank most of mission without warping out but I really kill slow...
I have : 6x arbalest launchers
1x X-Large shield booster I 1x Large shield amplifier I 4x Hardeners II
3x BCS II 2x Capacitor Flux I
5x Hobgoblin II

Skils: Link
So what should I do to start doing lvl4 missions faster?


Fitting
there is room in your dronebay for 5x Hammerhead II's (giving you 10 drones in all)
T2 Cruise Launchers would give you the choice of Fury/Precision/CN Scourge, all 3 provide more dps then regular Scourge

i don't fly battleships so see what others say to this
3 Hardners (mission rat specific) will leave 1 mid free for a target painter making smaller ships slightly easier to hit with your L sized missiles.

Skills

  • Cruise Missile Specialisation
  • Warhead Upgrades
  • Guided Missile Precision
  • Rapid Launch
  • Target Navigation Prediction

all increase the damage you able to apply to a target.
Dennis Gregs
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-08-27 05:48:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Dennis Gregs
I fly a Raven and a Dominix (separate characters), and, although from what I've read most people feel (Navy) Raven is the overall best mission runner, I vastly prefer my Dominix. While the ability to switch damage type anytime is indeed nice, my Gardes alone on the Dominix easily out-DPS the Raven's missiles, and that's without taking into consideration the fact that sentries instapop any frigate. Bottom line is, Raven's DPS is nothing to write home about, so don't expect the missions to be very fast. As a secondary thing, you cannot really play semi-afk in a standard Raven, which is another problem.

On another note, you don't need 4 shield hardeners, 3 should suffice for anything, put another shield booster amp there instead, and I hope by 'salvaging' you mean in a Noctis, cause otherwise you're probably wasting your time, unless you're getting lots of Mercenary missions which are pretty much always worth looting.

If I were you I'd look into running missions for Minmatar space corps, you're naturally resistant to those rats and you'll be able to equip some more damage perhaps (also they have very low defender missile chance). In general, I don' t see the point of gimping yourself by running missions in Caldari space if you're flying a ship that doesn't have a damage type preference.