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Lasers. Names. Changes. Please read before reaching for your weapons.

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Kyle Reeves
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#261 - 2012-08-23 06:08:49 UTC
I honestly like the naming scheme the way it is. It (to me at least) makes the game seem that much bigger. Actually checking the info on guns and reading through the stats, even if it's just skimming to find the meta level makes them more interesting, as it requires more thought and attention.
If the names do end up being changed, please do not use the standardized "Limited, upgraded, experimental, prototype, blah blah blah" names.

As Captain Praxis put it...
Ideally each type of module (propulsion, ewar, armour, shield, and so on) should have a unique meta-name scheme that makes sense for the type of module being named.

This is the way it should be done.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#262 - 2012-08-23 06:18:39 UTC
Have you consider the prefix 'Strobe' instead of gatling?

Strobes charge up a capacitor then intermittenly disperse the energy contained.

I am also one of those pilots that is put off by 'limited' it fees like its a down grade not an upgrade.

Sure its supposed to be limited edition but it certainly doesnt sound that way.

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Marcus Gideon
Triglavian Assembly
#263 - 2012-08-24 04:38:33 UTC
(Upgraded/Limited/Experimental/Prototype) + (Light/Medium/Heavy/Mega) + (Beam/Pulse) = Win

I kinda like "Strobe" over "Gatling" too. It doesn't make much sense to rotate the barrels on a laser gun.
Tub Chil
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#264 - 2012-08-24 07:06:40 UTC
Newspeak is bad, mkay?
Ceptia Cyna
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#265 - 2012-08-24 12:53:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Ceptia Cyna
Reppyk wrote:
Why not using the lexical order ?

Afocal Gatling Small Pulse Laser (m1)
Anode Gatling Small Pulse Laser (m2)
Modal Gatling Small Pulse Laser (m3)
Modulated Gatling Small Pulse Laser (m4)

It doesnt tell you if that module is meta4, but it's easy and fast to compare two meta modules.


I like this idea but I would also like a consistent use of Afocal, Anode, Modal and Modulated thru out all guns, i.e. lasers, hybrids and projectiles making them all equal prefixed for meta level.

I would however consider making the prefix for metalevel a uhm whatever it is called when it is in the middle. This might be neccesary for traders and people with very large ammounts of mixed guns.

Gatling Small Afocal Pulse Laser (m1)
Gatling Small Anode Pulse Laser (m2)
Gatling Small Modal Pulse Laser (m3)
Gatling Small Modulated Pulse Laser (m4)
Aaron Greil
Heresy Incorporated
#266 - 2012-08-24 15:34:12 UTC
Why don't the UI people just put meta level in a convenient, easy to read place. Maybe next to the title or in a small box in the corner of in show info window, or perhaps when you mouse over the picture. At very least, adding the meta level to the description in the market tabs would be an easy way of partially solving the issues.
Gibbo3771
Perkone
Caldari State
#267 - 2012-08-24 19:00:11 UTC
Fixing things that are not broke again.

Imo if its not broke dont fix it, dont get me wrong there is some things out there that **** with your head.

I am looking at 800mm repeating artillery which is actually an autocannon but its a "repeating" artillery so it makes some sense.

I really thing the game should stay the way it is with the naming, the implant changes where nice and made sense. Dont take away the individual prefix of stuff just to dumb it down for people who cant take in simple pieces of text.
Hannott Thanos
Notorious Legion
#268 - 2012-08-24 19:11:51 UTC
Gibbo3771 wrote:
Fixing things that are not broke again.


Medium Pulse Laser II

What size is it? Is it small or medium sized? Try explaining that logic to new players.

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Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
#269 - 2012-08-24 19:23:01 UTC
Hannott Thanos wrote:
Gibbo3771 wrote:
Fixing things that are not broke again.


Medium Pulse Laser II

What size is it? Is it small or medium sized? Try explaining that logic to new players.


New players browse the market, and find it under the category for small lasers, and then put small crystals in it, and then find that they can fit it on their frigates. When I was a new player, I never thought about it. It's purely a source of "who's on first?" confusion, and is actually part of the character of lasers -- that they're supposed to be oversized weapons.
Sudelle
Tir Asleen
#270 - 2012-08-24 20:55:33 UTC
"broken" is a relative term most times. Call this an enhancement or an improvement. Although we all know the fear of change is modern man's biggest weakness...
Tanaka Aiko
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#271 - 2012-08-24 22:19:55 UTC
a specific name for laser types would be okay, but it musn't be used on another weapon type.

i remember that meta4 hybrid and meta3 projo (or the opposite) had the same name, while not of the same meta... and you talked about this happening between hybrid and laser on your first post so please, avoid that.

the laser name should tell us easily what size it has, what tier it is, and what meta level it is.
Gibbo3771
Perkone
Caldari State
#272 - 2012-08-25 00:03:15 UTC
Hannott Thanos wrote:
Gibbo3771 wrote:
Fixing things that are not broke again.


Medium Pulse Laser II

What size is it? Is it small or medium sized? Try explaining that logic to new players.


Trying explain anything about this game to a new player.

Sooner we weed out the retards sooner we can have a game where more than 5% of the players can actually fit a ship properly.
Marcus Gideon
Triglavian Assembly
#273 - 2012-08-25 03:06:25 UTC
I've been annoyed with the naming scheme since Day 1.

Small repper, small nos, small ammo... MEDIUM laser?
Zenos Ebeth
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#274 - 2012-08-25 13:16:42 UTC
Marcus Gideon wrote:
I've been annoyed with the naming scheme since Day 1.

Small repper, small nos, small ammo... MEDIUM laser?


This , it's very confusing for new players that one of the small pulse lasers is called MEDIUM pulse laser. Seriously , how did no one at ccp notice that before ?

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Emperor Ryan
The Illuminatii
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#275 - 2012-08-26 08:56:28 UTC
Obviously The lasers are inperticualy confusions since you start with medium lasers by name which are small and some spellings needs correcting.

Though as an old vet it seems that you guys are simplifying things to a point where your removing all those nice little names you gave mods to make them 'have there own style' i will have to admit that if the future idea is to make Everything

Upgraded
Limited
Experimental
Prototype

It does simplify things, but for people who bother to check stats either in game or using the multiple out of game tools, everyone knows the meta levels of said names.

And you'd kill some of the old Favorited like the PWNAGE
among other just well named mods considering the vast amount of mods in the game

Just my 2cents

Fixing spelling though i would agree kinda needs to be done by now - even rookies learn fast how the system works.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#276 - 2012-08-26 12:29:25 UTC
I have always liked the fact that there are small pulse lasers that are called medium pulse lasers..

Thats not the slightest bit confusing :P

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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#277 - 2012-08-26 15:28:16 UTC
Large Asymmetric Barrier Transpositioner I is epic name touch that and il find you..oh lazors..don't care..oops.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard

Sudelle
Tir Asleen
#278 - 2012-08-28 19:33:35 UTC
Seems like the discussion is or has run out of steam. Just curious if you have had your internal meeting about this yet, FoxFour? And if any other ideas were rattled around because of the meeting...?
CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#279 - 2012-08-29 13:38:15 UTC
Sudelle wrote:
Seems like the discussion is or has run out of steam. Just curious if you have had your internal meeting about this yet, FoxFour? And if any other ideas were rattled around because of the meeting...?


Sorry, really busy wrapping up the end of this sprint. For now we are going to rename a few of the lasers, Medium Pulse Laser for example, to remove the confusion about what size it is.

We did have some meetings internally and we are unwilling to move forward with any mass renaming until we have a naming convention that is solid and we can apply to everything. This is not something we want to rush, it is something we want to talk about a lot and get right. To be honest we will never be able to come up with something that makes everyone happy, but again we need to be confident in it ourselves, it needs to be robust enough to be expanded upon when we add new stuff, and it needs to get to all modules and not be started and forgotten about after touching only a fraction of the modules.

So for now, only a few small changes to be made. :)

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Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#280 - 2012-08-29 14:48:55 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Sudelle wrote:
Seems like the discussion is or has run out of steam. Just curious if you have had your internal meeting about this yet, FoxFour? And if any other ideas were rattled around because of the meeting...?


Sorry, really busy wrapping up the end of this sprint. For now we are going to rename a few of the lasers, Medium Pulse Laser for example, to remove the confusion about what size it is.

We did have some meetings internally and we are unwilling to move forward with any mass renaming until we have a naming convention that is solid and we can apply to everything. This is not something we want to rush, it is something we want to talk about a lot and get right. To be honest we will never be able to come up with something that makes everyone happy, but again we need to be confident in it ourselves, it needs to be robust enough to be expanded upon when we add new stuff, and it needs to get to all modules and not be started and forgotten about after touching only a fraction of the modules.

So for now, only a few small changes to be made. :)



I liked your GPSL-01, kind of thing. Keep working in that direction!

I'll try and come up with some more useful ideas for you meanwhile.


Where I am.