EVE General Discussion

I still think delayed local in 0.0 makes everyone happy. Cloaked ships can't see you, you can't see them.

Win-win

One of the things that has come up often in this thread is how WH's "get on fine" with cloakies and no local. As an ex WH dweller I can attest that it was a buzz having the hightened sense of danger all day.

But we still did it. Because said cloaky had to give himself away to find us. It made a great cat-and-mouse game and kept you on the ball and alert. But we always had d-scan open and had eyes on probe launches on every WH op (after probes were added ofc). It was detecable, defensible and still no less dangerous because of it.

(Please note that "probes on d-scan" was a change to mitigate risk for WH dwellers....)

But why did the cloaky need probes? Because all sites in a WH are sigs. A probe has to be launched for detection.

The use of cloakies in 0.0 is an issue in that a cloaky does not need to reveal himself at anytime prior to an impending attack. It can be done with absolute impunity. They do not to need to scan or reveal themselves ever to be effective. And it's this constant threat of an attack (even when they sleep) that is the question here, not what to do if he does attack ad infinitum.

Team #1's argument is that area denial is a 0.0 tactic that is completely immune to any form of threat reduction other than ignore, at your peril, leave or dock up

Team #2's argument shows an inate fear of cloakies being nerfed or complete denial of an issue. Whilst the former has never been the case, I can certainly understand the angst. As for the latter, you have no need to comment because in your words, "there's no problem". So just let the others shoot the breeze talking about "nothing".

That's the 3 camps pretty well summarized imho.

Now, why not look at this from another angle, without even touching cloakies at all, this problem can be solved by simply changing anoms/belts to sigs - just like a WH.

Cloakies remain as is. Local could disappear and it would be of little consequence to ratters/miners. And as a bonus, bot programs are going to have to get a whole lot smarter.

Is this worth looking at?

The fact that you've kept this ridiculous thread going for 23 pages is pretty convincing evidence that it's you who's trolling.

More fool you. Until 30 minutes ago I was in bed asleep. I was asleep for approximately 8 hours. Thread was still up top when I logged in.

But hey, your comments are appreciated. They are, as usual, held in the highest esteem.

Here is the "AFK cloaker" debate distilled to its most basic principle. Everything beyond it is just noise.

Except the many people like me who will just give up and leave the game. But hey you will have your few weeks to a month of happy times right? Even more free ganks you got to love it.

Of course you wont love so much the time afterwards with even more systems completely devoid of targets because people dont want to be a target to your now nuclear AFK cloaking ability.

Removing local will wreck the game and is off topic. We ought to keep discussing ways to fix this issue without CCP having to pull out a huge nerfbat that will severely impact active cloaking. I have already stated that I will support the nerfbat over nothing but I would rather people here calmly discuss other better ideas first.

Actually his comment violates Rule 5



Lets keep things on topic folks.

Either your reading of the topic was overlooked or your comprehension skills are lacking.

I'll summarise to keep it simple: Said AFK cloaky doesn't have to even be in the same building and he's effective.

Thank you for posting. Have a nice day.

Did we use the line "ignorance is bliss" already? Yes I am sure we did. It is the definitive solution for a select few - unfortunately.

And yes. WH's get on fine without local. No dispute. But it works why?

Because a cloaky MUST reveal themselves to find me - AND CCP made this easier because it was a problem prior.

End of story.