Ships & Modules

miners are the biggest fuking whiners and moaners anywhere ever...
you just got the single biggest mining buff ever due to your constant bitching and now youre complaining about a minor nerf to cargo capacity on a ship that should be mining directly into a can/orca???
i mean are you for real?!??!

fk me sideways....

And finally we got the "Jorma Morkiss making stuff up in a Hulk thread" post

No, purpose of this change was to shut greed miners up, who were permanently whining on forums "Muh hulk ganked" because they didn't find it reasonable to tank their ship

Pre-1.2 maximum ore capacity on a tanked hulk was 8km3. Post-1.2 maximum ore capacity on a tanked hulk is 8.85km3. That's nearly an 11% buff.

I'm not seeing the nerf.

Oh, yes, and cargo expanders never worked on ore holds. Flying an orca or a rorqual teaches that pretty fast.



Given that the skiff was around 170k pre-1.2 and the mackinaw at around 230k pre-1.2 and they're now both back at that price or lower and given that the hulk has gone down approximately 28.5% in price I'm not seeing where the bad thing is. Skiff and mackinaw prices have dropped slightly and hulk prices have dropped in a major way making the ships easier to replace, and if you're fitting a hulk for maximum cargo I'm presuming you need to replace it on a regular basis.



I sincerely hope you post the exact same type, and quality, of comments when PvP'ers and mission runners, as they inevitably do, do the exact same thing.

OP, you are doing it wrong.

Get a Mack, you can fit 3 (!) MLU II on it! Now your yield will be 200m3 (mining crystal I) less than with your hulk.
As the Mack has a ore hold of 35k m3 you can now stay in belt aproximatly 3 times longer than in your hulk, which will save you at least 6 mins (3 times back and forth, 2 mins for unloading), which is 2 cycles of your strip miners.

The Mack aligns faster as the Hulk, is much more agile, and now even has a better tank.

There is no downside for a single miner, beside the fact that your Hulk is worthless now, and you will have to pay ridiculous 290m for the Mack atm.

Long story short, you will yield more ore faster than in your Hulk, watch mineral prices plummet in a few days/weeks/months.

And an extra lulz for those who have a Hulk BPO, which is worthless now as well.

If mining in a safe high sec spot, max yield + looking at local is all you need.

Next up: CCP gives hulks back their original cargo bay size and players rage that they have to destroy their new rigs to fit cargo expansion rigs again.

CCP will never give you what you want, only what you ask for. That said you are narrowly focused on the Hulk, as many others are.

All mining ships except the hulk got a big boost, that doesn't necessarily mean the Hulk got nerfed. While it would have been nice for the hulk to get something, in reality if you are not mining in a fleet, the hulk is not your best choice. Your best choice for solo mining is a mack, hands down. In a fleet, the Hulk is the undisputed king.

Before you come here and complain, ask yourself this, did you go on Sisi and try the changes? Did you read the forums and dev blogs to see the changes that were coming and how they effect you? Did you give your feedback on the proposed changes? And lastly did you prepare yourself for the changes, by getting the ships you wanted before the changes came out (or even early in the process)?

You signed up to play a very complex MMO, that caters heavily to PvP. Where your actions (or inactions) have consequences for you and others (and hopefully this is why you love this game). If you do not review changes, think and talk about them, plan for them - them you alone are responsible for your problems and nobody else. Had you bought a bunch of Macks when the dev blog came out and sold them now, you'd have made a nice profit wouldn't you? And don't expect sympathy, because it isn't a skill anyone trains in EvE.

In truth the changes are pretty good, my only complaint is the lack of CPU on the Hulk and the Mack. You can hardly balance tank and yield without a CPU rig, especially when setting up for ice mining.

Get a mackinaw, your mining solo, thats what its designed for.

OP my cargo hold is full of tears already. I understand how you feel. CCP give us our cargo expandable tear miners,pronto!

SRS mmkay???