Missions & Complexes

Unles your both going for the same type of tank and a RR fit id suggest tanking locally

with your combined DPS not muchwill live long

but tank high untill you are comfortable losing bits of tank for DPS/utility

Thanks for the responses changed a few things up should look better now.

Wb, I hope you enjoy the game again.

My 2 cents.

For Raven:
- Shield tank with 1 x Adaptive Inv. Field + 1 x Specific Mission Hardener + 1 x Shield Boost Amplifier. Saves capacitor, tanks more (in most cases).
- Drop the 'Inception TP and get a Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron (meta 4 tp). It is better.
- Damage Control II is a good module, but kind of "meh" for L4s. If you're comfortable to take it out, do it.
- the X-Large is a cap drainer. When you have some ISK, get yourself a Gist something, even C X-Large will do. The HP / Gj (shield hit points per Giga Joule) is sooooooooooooo(300x more "o"s) better....
- Missiles suffer from signature AND speed. Just a bunch of Rigor Catalysts won't help that much due to stacking penalties. Get one Rigor, one Flare and if you still have CPU, probably another Rigor or a Calefaction, but if not (and this is most likely the case), get a Capacitor Safeguard.
- The extra two high slots, one at least you could use an Auto targeting System I, which consumes 1 power and 1 CPU, but it is nice to be able to target more ships.
- Did I mention to get rid of the X-Large and get a Gist? Yep... I did, just wanted to make sure you got note of this.
- Don't fool yourself, you will NOT be running with Fury missiles, unless you want to pay ISK to mission.
- You might want to consider a Torpedo fit and let the long range damage be done by the Domi

For Domi:
- Drop the Power Relay in the low slot, put a Drone Damage Amp in place
- Drop the Sentry Damage rig and put a third nano pump in place (combo with previous line), and it also help Hobs
- Drop the AB and get a third Omni Tracking
- Some rats, like Angel Cartel are the worst as they do a ton of explosive damage. Two Explosive hardeners and one DC II work better than three explosive or two explosive and a kinetic. Angel is a horrible mob to tank as armor.
- F(word) Hammerheads. Take those out. Get 5xGarde, 5xWarden, 5xHobgoblins, 5xWarriors and fill the extra 75 m3 with spare garde, warden, hobs and warriors. As a drone boat, loosing drones = trouble.
- Food for though: changing two of those Omni Tracking for two Navigation might allow you to change from Sentries to Ogres and Berserkers for mobility.

For both:
- Either both of you get an AB or none does it. Better to go slowboat together than splitting up, IMHO.

Notes:
- Problem is that both ships are not "top notch". In both cases, tank is weak. If one is taking full damage by from a large pocket, you might have trouble.
- With two players, DPS is high and you're less susceptive to ECM from NPCs. That might counter the tanking problem.

Here are a few images to help.

Raven, tanking against Sansha, worst NPC against shield tank:
http://imageguru.net/images/raven.jpg

Domi, tanking against Angel, worst NPC against armor tank:
http://imageguru.net/images/domi.jpg

Have fun, and I hope this helps!

I love this ****... I simply love it...


No exactly like that. If you want to go picky on the ******* numbers, here it is:

Guristas (way too much Kin damage, better with 2 Kins, exception to the rest of all rats):
Inv + Kin: 652
Kin + Kin: 681
Kin + Therm: 590

Serpentis:
Inv + Therm: 517
Therm + Kin: 515

Sansha:
Inv + EM: 407
EM + Therm: 387

Blood Raiders:
Inv + EM: 380
EM + Therm: 391



Playing in twos means that you're most likely to need more tanking for a few periods, like being primaried during a spawn, but other than that, they should be fine.

I would still stick to the DCII, but if more sustained tank is necessary, then most likely another Cap Flux Coil.


Fun... you know... just fun to read this...

Before posting, I did check if they would stack or not, but I did so on Pyfa. Turns out that Pyfa does show these modules stacking penalties, and then I just checked again against EvEHQ and it does not stack there. That sucked.


The idea with this last suggestion was to blow Battlecruisers and battleships faster. They might work with AB or other tricks to get it going. It was just an idea.


P.S.: I'm by no means an expert, but also, I don't **** on someone else's post.

Just tested:

Kestrel w/ scourge light missile, no rigs: 37m missile explosion radius
Kestrel w/ scourge light missile, 3 small rigor rigs I: 23m missile explosion radius

The math: 37m * (0.85) * (0.85) * (0.85) = 22.72m

Hence the rigs description (note the lack of stacking penalty warning) is correct. Rigor rigs are not subject to the stacking penalty.




Oh, and by pure coincidence:

WTS Kestrel with 3 rigor rigs. Available through contract in Jita 4-4.

I would say go out and do a few missions without 6-10 implants to get a feeling, then ask yourself: Are you comfortable with your tanking?

If "no", check out why, if it is cap issues, or just lack of buffer, slow repairs, etc, and try to improve that.

If "yes", well, then just go pure DPS.

In my case, it ended up being something that helped in both ways. I put everything I could to increase turret damage (I fly a gunboat) and then what else was left to improve cap recharge. =)