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Dear CCP, your numbers are questionable!
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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#1 - 2012-08-24 05:34:01 UTC
Just noticed this, and it makes me wonder what other bogus numbers CCP is presenting as fact.

Current FW minmatar numbers claim to be over 7800. Now I realize you can't expect a large percentage online at any particular time, just like Alliances, but low 300's is about the most people I've seen on Militia chat.
So CCP, are you counting inactive accounts in these numbers?
I should note that Amarr is even better, with over 5000 members, and 50 or so online. 1% seems unlikely in the extreme.

Now I have to wonder if CCP counts inactive accounts for other things, like total subs? Shocked



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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#2 - 2012-08-24 05:35:44 UTC
Most people don't play daily, or anything approaching it.
Fatbottom Girl
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-08-24 05:56:26 UTC
Everyone and their mother knows the system is being gamed.

Instead of switching sides to follow the profits, players are flocking to a single side - Minmatar, in this case, but the Caldari/Gallente warzone is beginning to show these signs as well - and leaving the warzone at Tier 1 while merrily farming LP.

Then, on a designated time and day, everyone is asked to chip in a little bit of their LP to upgrade systems, instantly spiking themselves to Tier 4 or Tier 5. An orgy of LP redemption at a deep discount follows, and the increased warzone control is allowed to fall.

Players return to farming, and another coordinated buy happens a few weeks later. In this way, even week old pilots in frigates are earning over 50m isk/hr, with many hundreds of millions of isk per hour being available to motivated pilots with the right setup.

Working as intended?
Alternate Poster
Zerious Fricken Biziness
#4 - 2012-08-24 05:58:09 UTC
Expired accounts are not automatically kicked from FW either.
Maybe there's a fair percentage who joined, then thought "This is rubbish!" and rage quit.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#5 - 2012-08-24 06:01:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
err and a lot of people use account alts, don't need much SP for a frig or destro. Don't need to play the FW alt daily.
fail 0/10

I'm in it for the money

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LilRemmy
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-08-24 06:22:48 UTC
this is not star wars the old republic forums, shoo, away with you.
Alara IonStorm
#7 - 2012-08-24 07:15:23 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:

Current FW minmatar numbers claim to be over 7800. Now I realize you can't expect a large percentage online at any particular time, just like Alliances, but low 300's is about the most people I've seen on Militia chat.

I'm sorry were you expecting something different?

My time in RvB there were about 5500 people between the two corporation and only 60-120 online at a single time.

People don't actually live in the game. I logged in once or twice a week at most.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#8 - 2012-08-24 07:31:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Current FW minmatar numbers claim to be over 7800. Now I realize you can't expect a large percentage online at any particular time, just like Alliances, but low 300's is about the most people I've seen on Militia chat.

4% is a reasonable but not very good number.
It would correspond to about 55 minutes of online time per day per player.
I see no grounds for calling it fake.

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I should note that Amarr is even better, with over 5000 members, and 50 or so online. 1% seems unlikely in the extreme.

Yes, that is rather low, and potentially suspicious, but not completely unbelievable.
That's a bit over 14 minutes per day per player, or 1h 40m per week average.
I don't know about you, but I don't think I even clock 30 minutes of weekly in-game online time lately.

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Now I have to wonder if CCP counts inactive accounts for other things, like total subs? Shocked

CCP does not include inactive accounts in total subs.

If they did, the playerbase of EVE would list at least 1.5 million accounts minimum, possibly even up to or over 3 million accounts.
Yet I don't remember them ever claiming even close to 400k.

The weekly average online player count is somewhere around 30k these days (the peak was around 36k weekely average in early January 2011), there have been no concrete numbers of total subs lately, but based on older numbers, we can assume the claimed number of ACTIVE PAID FOR subs is somewhere between 300k and 350k.
That would correspond to about 2 hours per day of average online time per player, which is also wholly reasonable.

EDIT: Apparently we have 361000 subs reported in early May 2012, back when recent past weekly online average counts oscillated between 30k (early May) and 33k (early April), so online averages of between 2h and 2h 11m per day per subscribed account (pretty much "normal" as far as I'm concerned).

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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-08-24 07:51:53 UTC
Akita T wrote:
there have been no concrete numbers of total subs lately, but based on older numbers, we can assume the claimed number of ACTIVE PAID FOR subs is somewhere between 300k and 350k.

last number was 361k accounts in May (Linkage)

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#10 - 2012-08-24 08:56:07 UTC
ITT OP discovers that most people do not play their FW alt as their main.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#11 - 2012-08-24 09:07:50 UTC
there is thousands of spy alts in every militia, you do not log those in very often.
Muscaat
EVE Markets
#12 - 2012-08-24 09:11:43 UTC
Fatbottom Girl wrote:
Instead of switching sides to follow the profits, players are flocking to a single side - Minmatar, in this case, but the Caldari/Gallente warzone is beginning to show these signs as well - and leaving the warzone at Tier 1 while merrily farming LP.

Then, on a designated time and day, everyone is asked to chip in a little bit of their LP to upgrade systems, instantly spiking themselves to Tier 4 or Tier 5. An orgy of LP redemption at a deep discount follows, and the increased warzone control is allowed to fall.

Players return to farming, and another coordinated buy happens a few weeks later. In this way, even week old pilots in frigates are earning over 50m isk/hr, with many hundreds of millions of isk per hour being available to motivated pilots with the right setup.


I feel like I've heard this somewhere before...
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-08-24 09:23:38 UTC
5000 members, 300 online, I'd say that's quite good. It's probably similar to a 5000 man null sec Alliance in what you would expect online at any time.